£8 minimum Wage

[NZDan]

Lets get everyone educated so they can get a better job and not be on minimum wage . We then end up with a highly educated workforce capable of earning a lot more than minimum wage, fan bloody tastic .
Eh, hold on! who is left to grade the spuds, wipe granny's butt and work the tills at Tesco ?
Is there a solution? We all want better in this life, problem is a lot will never acheive anything because the rest of us don't want them too .

 

[NZDan]

Lets get everyone educated so they can get a better job and not be on minimum wage . We then end up with a highly educated workforce capable of earning a lot more than minimum wage, fan bloody tastic .
Eh, hold on! who is left to grade the spuds, wipe granny's butt and work the tills at Tesco ?
Is there a solution? We all want better in this life, problem is a lot will never acheive anything because the rest of us don't want them too .

Not everyone wants a better life. There are plenty of people who have no motivation be be anything other than what they are. A healthy society needs people for a wide range of jobs, we need unskilled workers just as much as we need skilled workers.

 

[JP1]

I worked briefly with two Polish blokes who were sending more money a month back home in Working Family Tax Credits, than they could earn monthly in Poland!

I remember travelling out with a mate who was running big Hungarian ex collective farms 20 years ago. Post Perestroika and possibly the worst of all Worlds. Former State support virtually gone, wages still paltry, private medical care etc. I remember seeing girls working in the farm offices with MBA's, pretty girls in their Twenties who could not afford to go to the (private) dentist and one who treated tooth rot with diluted arsenic as she could not afford the treatment. How can that be humane? You see what the driver is for some nations.

I say if they want to work, let them as some in the UK will always remain feckless sadly

 

[Woolgatherer]

I'd like to suggest that fecklessness (is there such a word?) is in any country. It's most likely that the people who come here are those who want to work and get on. The feckless probably stay at home! I've a good friend from Poland, she says that alcoholism is a huge problem, and many people are incapable because of it. She left as soon as she was legally old enough and hates going back.

 

[borderterribles]

I remember travelling out with a mate who was running big Hungarian ex collective farms 20 years ago. Post Perestroika and possibly the worst of all Worlds. Former State support virtually gone, wages still paltry, private medical care etc. I remember seeing girls working in the farm offices with MBA's, pretty girls in their Twenties who could not afford to go to the (private) dentist and one who treated tooth rot with diluted arsenic as she could not afford the treatment. How can that be humane? You see what the driver is for some nations.

I say if they want to work, let them as some in the UK will always remain feckless sadly

There is no doubting the work ethic of many of the immigrant workers who have moved to the U.K,but when I said I" worked briefly with a couple of Polish blokes", that was because when I'd shown them the locations of the night drops (wholesale markets), I got offhired for being too expensive!! I was on £15/hr for nights and they got£5.80/hr days or nights!

 

[mossop]

Why do people just assume they should automatically earn a top pay , when I started working full-time I did two years on its , one year at £27 a week and one at £36 a week , first full paying job was £65 a week , then thought I was rich when moved to a new job on£93 a week , as I've gotten older and more experienced my wages have increased , now I'm on £13 and £15 respectively ,I think I served my time and I deserve a good wage but now all the young lads have twit nav and expect £10 an hour in their first job , with no idea of true workmanship

 

[Osca]

Why do people just assume they should automatically earn a top pay , when I started working full-time I did two years on its , one year at £27 a week and one at £36 a week , first full paying job was £65 a week , then thought I was rich when moved to a new job on£93 a week , as I've gotten older and more experienced my wages have increased , now I'm on £13 and £15 respectively ,I think I served my time and I deserve a good wage but now all the young lads have twit nav and expect £10 an hour in their first job , with no idea of true workmanship

 

[Osca]

Er yes but "older" might be the key here... my first pay was at a rate of 15/- a day, and not a bad wage at all.

It even shocked me, translating that for my daughter and realising it was 75p. My gosh I must be getting old! Pensions! now that's another thing...

 

[roscoe erf]

Well it was/is a bloody good job because nobody ever F'ing pays me Any of you troubled bosses reading this want to give me a job? Salary negotiable of course.

Minimum wage ok

 

[mossop]

Er yes but "older" might be the key here... my first pay was at a rate of 15/- a day, and not a bad wage at all.

It even shocked me, translating that for my daughter and realising it was 75p. My gosh I must be getting old! ;Pensions! now that's another thing...

cheeky , yes ok it was 28years ago but what I was trying to say was that if you don't have the experience you should expect to be on a lower wage and work your way up , I think the trouble with the current minimum rate is that a lot of people earn close to that for sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle , since can see some argument for a bigger gap between dole and wage to give people a bit of incentive to work

 

[RobFZS]

cheeky , yes ok it was 28years ago but what I was trying to say was that if you don't have the experience you should expect to be on a lower wage and work your way up , I think the trouble with the current minimum rate is that a lot of people earn close to that for sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle , since can see some argument for a bigger gap between dole and wage to give people a bit of incentive to work

and then you have childcare aswell to pay for, dole office usually tell some people not to bother going back to work when they've had a kid as there's nout to help them out

 

[Sussex Martin]

Er yes but "older" might be the key here... my first pay was at a rate of 15/- a day, and not a bad wage at all.

It even shocked me, translating that for my daughter and realising it was 75p. My gosh I must be getting old! Pensions! now that's another thing...

My first job paid £3.00 per week.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The minimum wage is a good thing, it's the maximum benifits that want looking at, ffs that's why we have to much immigration, and so many out of work all because they get so many hand outs

 

[multi power]

The minimum wage is a good thing, it's the maximum benifits that want looking at, ffs that's why we have to much immigration, and so many out of work all because they get so many hand outs

at last some common sence

 

[M-J-G]

Plenty of folks around here who are self employed are prepared to work for £11-£12, these are cheaper than a full time employee at 8 quid when holidays, NI, overtime, wet days etc are taken into account.

A man and a 150hp tractor can be gotten for £22

A person starting out with little experience or knowledge needing a Minimum of £8 is expensive in comparison.

 

[More to life]

Plenty of folks around here who are self employed are prepared to work for £11-£12, these are cheaper than a full time employee at 8 quid when holidays, NI, overtime, wet days etc are taken into account.

A man and a 150hp tractor can be gotten for £22

A person starting out with little experience or knowledge needing a Minimum of £8 is expensive in comparison.

That is spot on but don't forget £8 is five years away

 

[M-J-G]

Very true, who knows what way things will by then, European payments will be stripped down further, farm gate prices better be improved otherwise there will be a lack of new employees into agriculture.

I'm afraid 8 pounds minimum makes the majority of young people unemployable by today's standards. I would have to consider bringing in self employed help or having a tractor or two less, and bringing in outside contractors.

Even gold can be too dear!!