1 pass cow cubicle machine

[farmer1989]

hi there starting a project its taking too long to do cubicles we scrape with mf 135 hand brush then use a ag lime dispenser then 2 days a week put a good layer sawdust down with mench side shooter on skid steer

the plan is we are going to try and mount the ag mini onto the frame of the scrapper and mount a hydrolic sweeper arm with a ram from the centre loader mount points

unfortunately on a 135 we cant use the hydrolics because arms on the tractor need to be up for constant pumping so been told an option would be put a pto hydrolic pump on no idea how big but want it to be able to power the brush and at the same time able to lift it up and down on the ram if possible so we only need to clean dirty parts of the cubicles

any advise would be greatly appreciated

 

[Smudge]

Is there a power beyond kit for 135s?

 

[michael N123]

How bigs the skidsteer?

 

[Horn&corn]

Hi
Any pto hydraulic kit sounds impractical as you will need a reserve tank and valves etc.
I think you'll need to brush the cubicle off as you push the cows out then perhaps an Elec drive on the ag mini would work for the lime mounted on the scraper.
Or ditch the 135 and use skid steer then you've more options

 

[Mursal]

Hydraulic pump kit off a hedge cutter, the clip on type should get you away. If you start working motor and rams off the same pump, it will be more complicated. So dedicate the clip on pump to the brush motor, leave the ram on the tractor hydraulics, going through a slice with handles.
Can you use a 3 position change over valve to leave the rear lift arms static and put all the oil to the slice?
It fits on the two bolts next small gear stick, just in front of the seat.
If locking the lift arms in a static position (down) wont work, then you might have to go for working motor and ram off the clip on pump. So the pump will have to be bigger than the one currently running the brush? The problem with using one pump for motor and rams, oil will take the path of least resistance, so it will be a more complicated fix.
If you only want to work a small ram occasionally, electric motor running a pump might be another option, but you will need to beef up the charging/battery on the tractor.
Click for example of 12Volt/hydraulic kits

 

[joe soapy]

hi there starting a project its taking too long to do cubicles we scrape with mf 135 hand brush then use a ag lime dispenser then 2 days a week put a good layer sawdust down with mench side shooter on skid steer

the plan is we are going to try and mount the ag mini onto the frame of the scrapper and mount a hydrolic sweeper arm with a ram from the centre loader mount points

unfortunately on a 135 we cant use the hydrolics because arms on the tractor need to be up for constant pumping so been told an option would be put a pto hydrolic pump on no idea how big but want it to be able to power the brush and at the same time able to lift it up and down on the ram if possible so we only need to clean dirty parts of the cubicles

any advise would be greatly appreciated

Bear with me, it can be done.
You need a diverter valve that fits on top cover,
then a spool valve with 1 single acting spool plus as many more spools as required.
with the diverter sending oil to the spools, plumb the output from the single acting spool to the standard trailer pipe, this will then work the 3 point links
with the other spools available for other rams.
This was how fergies were made to work with push off buckrakes back in the 70's

 

[clunk]

to get max oil flow from the pto you would need a system like this its a 3x gear pump but you also need the large oil tank or the oil will boil and trash the seals i use this on anything from a t 20 ,35 and upwards gives 140lpm or there about at 2000psi but tractors are running at little over tick over but its bit big to mount on a scraper but hope it helps

 

[joe soapy]

There is also the option of fitting a MP pump internally to get oil output up to 12 gals per min

 

[dannewhouse]

Has anyone ever tried using the "back end oil" as the oil tank for an external pump
ie drill an outlet very low in the back end to supply oil to the external pump do as you want with the externals and then plumb the return back in somewhere ideally low ish to stop oil frothing?

the tractor running 1hour per day isn't going to boil its back end even though a 135 wont have the 70 odd litres some new machines have. it wouldn't really matter that there's 2 pumps drawing off the same oil? looked at a similar idea for our 165 to run the wrapper but bought an engine power pack to do it instead.

you may not have to drill your own ports I cant remember if there isn't some blanks down the lh side on a 135 just in front of rear axle?

 

[farmer1989]

Is there a power beyond kit for 135s?[/QU

How bigs the skidsteer?

its a big new holland 223 we could make a brush and mount to it but time i change from sawdust bucket and mess on i may as well have used a hand brush

 

[farmer1989]

speaking to our local engineer and hes suggested a split valve and twin spool block for ram and brush ag mini on back is electric

 

[farmer1989]

other option could be a electric linear actuator for lifting the brush up and down but how reliable in a dirty environment but simple to install and not crazy money to have a try

 

[farmer1989]

will post pictures on how we get on if ppl are interested

 

[Mursal]

Yes interested ..............
Did you see the video of the lawnmower type yoke, for ideas?
Loads on U-Tube if you have the patience ..........

 

[Mursal]

With the diverter sending oil to the spools, plumb the output from the single acting spool to the standard trailer pipe

Will it not matter that the oil is traveling in the opposite direction?
In the tipping pipe drilling instead of out?

 

[joe soapy]

Will it not matter that the oil is traveling in the opposite direction?
In the tipping pipe drilling instead of out?

not a bit, the trailer pipe is open circuit with the lift ram, the single acting spool will give equilivant to position control,
just put the quadrant lever into constant pumping

 

[TripleSix]

Has anyone ever tried using the "back end oil" as the oil tank for an external pump
ie drill an outlet very low in the back end to supply oil to the external pump do as you want with the externals and then plumb the return back in somewhere ideally low ish to stop oil frothing?

the tractor running 1hour per day isn't going to boil its back end even though a 135 wont have the 70 odd litres some new machines have. it wouldn't really matter that there's 2 pumps drawing off the same oil? looked at a similar idea for our 165 to run the wrapper but bought an engine power pack to do it instead.

you may not have to drill your own ports I cant remember if there isn't some blanks down the lh side on a 135 just in front of rear axle?

Seen it done on a Leyland that had a knackered pump and they fitted a pump to the crankshaft on the front of the engine.

 

[Mursal]

The JCB's would have had the Leyland engine, with front pulley drive for the pump

 

[JPM]

other option could be a electric linear actuator for lifting the brush up and down but how reliable in a dirty environment but simple to install and not crazy money to have a try

Use a few 12v actuators on different jobs. They're pretty reliable and can push a fair load. They're very slow though. Like 10mm travel a second so it might not be ideal for your job?

 

[farmer1989]

Use a few 12v actuators on different jobs. They're pretty reliable and can push a fair load. They're very slow though. Like 10mm travel a second so it might not be ideal for your job?

yer bit worried on speed but seen a guy on you tube using 1 on a door and it was super fast need to find out how hes done it