2 calves within 4 months...

[Clay52]

@bovine "stop being a child" priceless. You have questioned people's honesty and competence. Now you backtrack because you don't have the balls to stand by it.
The more you post the more I think you are a fake and a liar ! If you were a decent Vet you wouldn't have the time to be on here. If you are in fact a Vet you should be disciplined. It is unethical to be on here giving advice with no first hand knowledge not knowing the facts.
If indeed you are a Vet I'm not surprised you remain anonymous. I don't believe you speak to customer the way you claim. It strikes me you are living out a fantasy of being someone important. If I had a Vet like the one you portray he'd be on his ass then banned from the farm.
Interesting you called me a "child". Hadn't thought about of it before but if I had to guess you are about 12. A loner with no friends and a book on Vet medicine written in about 1943.
Seems you and @Clay52 judge people by your own standards. I'm willing to believe the accounts offered in this thread. I see nothing for people to gain from making it up and I don't think people who can't ID a cow would still be in this very difficult industry. Then again I'm neither incompetent or a liar so don't expect others to be.

The only person accusing people of being a liar is you. So hopefully you have some evidence of that before throwing accusations around but then the threats of violence and insults to people over he internet are hardly an example of perfect character traits.

So you are up in arms about suggesting someone possibly made an innocent ID mistake but are happy to claim bovine is "a fake and liar", " doesn't have the balls". Seems that you dont hold yourself to the standards you set here for others.

No one is claiming pleople are lying about what calves they believed come out of the of the cow. But do you seriously believe a current dairy farmer cannot get a cow ID wrong. I'll remember that. Dairy farmers never get anything wrong. I guess in that case they must all be making a heap of money then.

 

[RastaBoy]

The only person accusing people of being a liar is you. So hopefully you have some evidence of that before throwing accusations around but then the threats of violence and insults to people over he internet are hardly an example of perfect character traits.

So you are up in arms about suggesting someone possibly made an innocent ID mistake but are happy to claim bovine is "a fake and liar", " doesn't have the balls". Seems that you dont hold yourself to the standards you set here for others.

No one is claiming pleople are lying about what calves they believed come out of the of the cow. But do you seriously believe a current dairy farmer cannot get a cow ID wrong. I'll remember that. Dairy farmers never get anything wrong. I guess in that case they must all be making a heap of money then.

Yes I am calling him a fake and a liar. I have no proof of this just an educated opinion after reading his guff. He loves facts and evidence so perhaps he can prove I'm wrong. I have the balls to stand by my posts.
"Threats of violence" who to ? @bovine I presume. Read it again "if I had a Vet like the one you portray he'd be on his ass" not I'm going to put him on his ass. Again if I did I would. Once more the balls to stand by my post.
"High standards" not especially just morals and balls really. If I don't believe someone I call them a liar.
Yes people make mistakes but not as many as you seem to on your farm by the sound of it.
Oh and by the way you're a liar as well. Proved by one of your earlier posts.

 

[Clay52]

Yes I am calling him a fake and a liar. I have no proof of this just an educated opinion after reading his guff. He loves facts and evidence so perhaps he can prove I'm wrong. I have the balls to stand by my posts.
"Threats of violence" who to ? @bovine I presume. Read it again "if I had a Vet like the one you portray he'd be on his ass" not I'm going to put him on his ass. Again if I did I would. Once more the balls to stand by my post.
"High standards" not especially just morals and balls really. If I don't believe someone I call them a liar.
Yes people make mistakes but not as many as you seem to on your farm by the sound of it.
Oh and by the way you're a liar as well. Proved by one of your earlier posts.

I'm a liar now? Please quote up where's I am a liar before you just throw it out there.

 

[AGN76]

 

[manhill]

There are 2 people on here who I think know my real identity, but I'm very keen to remain anonymous so I can speak my mind without people knowing who I am. I know a number of my clients use the site. I really couldn't give a stuff if you believe I am a vet or not.

Vet huh?
Here's a test:
Why is it that cows skitter and bulls don't?

 

[Crex]

Wouldn't the internet be a dull place if people took the time to read and comprehend other peoples posts?

 

[RastaBoy]

I'm not saying it's absolutely impossible and could never ever happen. These freaks of nature events that shouldn't happen do sometime manage to sneak through. Then you have to add dairy cows under high stress of milk production which can lower the levels of the reproductive hormones.

But I in no way believe all of these anecdotes. I see every day how bad vets, dairy farmers and dairy employees are with data entry and remembering cattle IDs. This cause is much more likely to happen.

Bottom paragraph @Clay52

 

[Clay52]

Bottom paragraph @Clay52

Hahah, What???

You are struggling. How does that prove I'm a liar.

You really need to get your stuff sorted before throwing all these accusations around. It's looking a bit silly now.

If you are claiming that is me saying other people are liars. No that is a comprehension issue on your part. I am saying I don't believe the anecdotes. I'm am not saying people are lying. I am saying I think there is another explanation.

 

[Clay52]

Bottom paragraph @Clay52

If you are claiming I am a liar because I said I see ID errors everyday and then later on said well not quite everyday.

First pretty funny if that's all you have on my lying.

I appologise profusely that I said "everyday" instead of "almost everyday". Haha.

Let's hope you haven't said anything ever that isn't 100 percent exact.

 

[RastaBoy]

If you are claiming I am a liar because I said I see ID errors everyday and then later on said well not quite everyday.

First pretty funny if that's all you have on my lying.

I appologise profusely that I said "everyday" instead of "almost everyday". Haha.

Let's hope you haven't said anything ever that isn't 100 percent exact.

It sunk in eventually then. Thought it might if I gave you time.
It proves you're a liar and you think it's "pretty funny".
I'm sure you're now sifting through all my posts well good luck. I don't tell lies as I said earlier don't judge others by your own low standards.
I'm sure everyone is fed up of this now as I am so ill bow out.

 

[Clay52]

It sunk in eventually then. Thought it might if I gave you time.
It proves you're a liar and you think it's "pretty funny".
I'm sure you're now sifting through all my posts well good luck. I don't tell lies as I said earlier don't judge others by your own low standards.
I'm sure everyone is fed up of this now as I am so ill bow out.

So that's what you are actually going with, is this joke? It was an unintentional mistake, saying everyday vs almost everyday either way it doesn't make a single difference to the point.

A liar is someone who knowingly tells an un untruth in an attempt to deceive. Didn't do either of those. Unintentionally leaving out a word is not a lie and in any case recently I have been dealing with it everyday.


I'll guarantee I'm not shifting though any of your posts because I don't care. If the rest of your posts are as good quality as these recent ones it would be a tough read.

Please bow out. You haven't added anything intelligent to this thread.

 

[Extreme Optimist]

It is so sad that what started as an interesting discussion has degenerated into this. As it happens, I tend to agree with @bovine - physiologically and anatomically, this should not be able to happen.
I discussed this with my vet and he thought the only way it could happen would be if one foetus developed in the uterus and the other ectopicaly. However he felt the chances of the ectopic pregnancy surviving to term would be minimal.
Please, everybody grow up and have a sensible, reasoned discussion. This is a fantastic forum, please don't spoil it!!

 

[Water Wheel]

One for @bovine or anyone else with better knowledge than me!

Talking to someone whose wife is a vet and the topic of BCMS queries came up. Apparently she went to assist at a calving, got a live calf. Then 4 months later she was called out again TO THE SAME COW for another calving, also a live calf. So obviously this presented some difficulties with registering the 2nd calf with BCMS. Fortunately as there was an 'independent expert' present on both occasions she was able to write a letter saying it was genuine and explaining how it was possible. One in each horn of the uterus, presumably she must have ovulated even when pregnant?

He did give it a technical term but I can't remember what it was but I gather it's pretty rare. Comments?

What is superfoetation?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39692070/what-is-superfoetation

A British woman's revealed she fell pregnant with twins, then conceived while carrying them and gave birth to triplets.

It's called superfoetation - when someone conceives then conceives again between two weeks and a month later.

It's extremely rare in humans. This is only the sixth time it's happened in a hundred years.

Fertility expert Professor Simon Fishel says; "it ought not to happen, but it does.

It's claimed it's more prevalent in animals such as rodents, rabbits, horses and sheep

 

[westwards]

As I saidin an earlier post, I have a neighbour who is a first class stocksman who said he had it happen, and rather than investgate it @Clay52 and @bovine rubbished the claim.

She was a pedigree cow and both were heifer calves, so I would presume he would have had to do a DNA test !!

If some of you think its not possible , why then do cows come bulling when they are already in calf ?

 

[Clay52]

As I saidin an earlier post, I have a neighbour who is a first class stocksman who said he had it happen, and rather than investgate it @Clay52 and @bovine rubbished the claim.

She was a pedigree cow and both were heifer calves, so I would presume he would have had to do a DNA test !!

If some of you think its not possible , why then do cows come bulling when they are already in calf ?

Cows showing heats while pregnant is easily explained. The follicular waves still continue while pregnant. This does not mean a cow should be able to get pregnant again while already pregnant. If you understand the reproductive cycle it means they shouldn't be able to get pregnant.

I didn't rubbish anyone or say anyone is lying. I'm not even saying it's absolutely impossible. All along I said I'm going with the more likely answer in these claimed situations of a human recording error and I'm still going with that.

 

[Kingofgrass]

As I saidin an earlier post, I have a neighbour who is a first class stocksman who said he had it happen, and rather than investgate it @Clay52 and @bovine rubbished the claim.

She was a pedigree cow and both were heifer calves, so I would presume he would have had to do a DNA test !!

If some of you think its not possible , why then do cows come bulling when they are already in calf ?

Iv seen it happen here in on 5th Feb Angus calf on the 5thmarch a very small but alive FR bull calf,small because she was in the milk. As for clay52 about the follicular waves yes I see that loads on the computer with the silent herdsman...asked the vet has he ever seen it? He said no but has heard of it happening