2 stage crops.

7610 super q

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Stunted crops of spring wheat/ barley have had the audacity to start growing again. I'd estimate 5-10% in each field is now a month, maybe 6 weeks behind the rest. Will it sort itself out without Roundup ? If it went back to drought again I think it would, but if the rest of the summer is cold / damp / miserable ?
 

Flat 10

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Fen Edge
Stunted crops of spring wheat/ barley have had the audacity to start growing again. I'd estimate 5-10% in each field is now a month, maybe 6 weeks behind the rest. Will it sort itself out without Roundup ? If it went back to drought again I think it would, but if the rest of the summer is cold / damp / miserable ?
You will have to take a view nearer the time and you will get castigated on here for your pre harvest use of glyphosate which is entirely necessary. It wouldn't be so bad if they would let you send it in at 16%.....
 

7610 super q

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I hate using Roundup on crops......but this will be the second year running I think. :(
The green stuff is only just showing an ear.

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Brisel

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Midlands
Secondary ears will form much more quickly so whilst they will delay harvest, they will mature quicker than the primary ones. They will have smaller grains so you don't want a lot in the sample.

If I had a lot like this and limited capacity and time I'd consider pre harvest glyphosate. Do leave it as long as you dare and make sure your spray penetrates the canopy well as it only works on green plant material. Always read the product label - is the barley for malting?
 

Kevtherev

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Welshpool Powys
Stunted crops of spring wheat/ barley have had the audacity to start growing again. I'd estimate 5-10% in each field is now a month, maybe 6 weeks behind the rest. Will it sort itself out without Roundup ? If it went back to drought again I think it would, but if the rest of the summer is cold / damp / miserable ?
Want to buy some slag???
 

7610 super q

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Secondary ears will form much more quickly so whilst they will delay harvest, they will mature quicker than the primary ones. They will have smaller grains so you don't want a lot in the sample.

If I had a lot like this and limited capacity and time I'd consider pre harvest glyphosate. Do leave it as long as you dare and make sure your spray penetrates the canopy well as it only works on green plant material. Always read the product label - is the barley for malting?
Feed.
 
A long time until harvest yet. Bit of roundup will sort it. I don't see any difference between spraying a crop off or burning lots of litres of gas or red drying the grain myself. It's a tool, it's legal so use it or don't. Make your choice.

I will never understand why roundup pre-harvest is condemned on here. You're growing a crop, in monoculture, you have applied what, ten or a dozen actives so far to the crop and you are getting your pants in a twist about half rate round up at the final hurdle?
 

Brisel

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Midlands
A long time until harvest yet. Bit of roundup will sort it. I don't see any difference between spraying a crop off or burning lots of litres of gas or red drying the grain myself. It's a tool, it's legal so use it or don't. Make your choice.

I will never understand why roundup pre-harvest is condemned on here. You're growing a crop, in monoculture, you have applied what, ten or a dozen actives so far to the crop and you are getting your pants in a twist about half rate round up at the final hurdle?

The dislike of pre harvest glyphosate is residues in foods. This upsets the consumer most. Since the OP is growing for animal feed it's less of an issue as long as he obeys the label.
 
The dislike of pre harvest glyphosate is residues in foods. This upsets the consumer most. Since the OP is growing for animal feed it's less of an issue as long as he obeys the label.

If buyers do not want the potential residues in food that is fair enough but in my view if a product is legal at the prescribed time there is no real moral or ethical argument against it's use.
 

DrWazzock

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Lincolnshire
Given a choice would people prefer to ingest either a slight trace of glyphosate residue or a mix of mycotoxins and diesel particulates which arise from dealing with damp grain?
We could wait for the sun of course, but run the risk of half of it on the ground before the rest is fit.
Having said that I don’t use glyphosate on even crops and don’t like using it unless I have to. I think though that there is a sound and sensible case for using it on uneven or weedy crops and it is the solution that offers least risk to public and farmer alike.
 
Given a choice would people prefer to ingest either a slight trace of glyphosate residue or a mix of mycotoxins and diesel particulates which arise from dealing with damp grain?
We could wait for the sun of course, but run the risk of half of it on the ground before the rest is fit.
Having said that I don’t use glyphosate on even crops and don’t like using it unless I have to. I think though that there is a sound and sensible case for using it on uneven or weedy crops and it is the solution that offers least risk to public and farmer alike.

The residues in the grain and straw are pretty low. For animal feed, it makes no odds whatsoever. As you say, mycotoxins can be very dangerous to people merely handling the grain much less eating it.
 

teslacoils

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Lincolnshire
Will roundup the oats anyway. Trick will be timing it so the early stuff doesn't all shake out, but the late stuff fills. Then cut a bit wet and dry. Spring barley going for wholecrop.
 

PSQ

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Arable Farmer
A couple of weeks ago we had spring oats everywhere between newly emerged and panicle fully out, mixed together in patches all across the same 40 acre field. We're going to have to roundup at the earlier crop timing, and blow the late crop out of the back of the combine.
Guestimating it's going to yield around 1 to 1.5t/acre, with a spectacular spring oat 'green manure' crop to follow.
 

Brisel

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Midlands
The residues in the grain and straw are pretty low. For animal feed, it makes no odds whatsoever. As you say, mycotoxins can be very dangerous to people merely handling the grain much less eating it.

Since when has the science got in the way of public hysteria? The public will get their way & the highest risk of residues comes from applications closest to harvest.

 

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