250,000 heifer

[johnspeehs]

Well a non farming friend of mine asked me how a cow could be worth 250 k, he had heard it on a farming programme on the radio, I said I'd no idea but I have a half brother as a stock bull.

 

[M-J-G]

The Limousin is at least as capable of being outwintered as the Shorthorn or Angus.

I'd have said not, we always found anything with Lim in it needed extra feeding when outwintered, they lack capacity for forage intake and are generally too "Whippet" like, similar to a BB but not quite as thin skinned and lean as a Blue.


For a long time I've kept BSH cows outside and they've done as well outside as they do inside on the same feeding, the Sims the same.

 

[Bill the Bass]

That's probably what was actually paid for the heifer.
There are far too many stories of this happening in pedigree sheep and cattle sales.
A group of breeders get together and just buy each others stock and the money just circulates between them. "You buy a tup off me for 50k this year and I'll make sure I buy two gimmers off you next year for 25k each"

Rubbish, I am pretty sure Alan Jenkinson doesn’t need to pay around with those games, neither Charlie Boden.

 

[M-J-G]

Much the same could be said for every breed that has dominated in the last 100 years.....Cattle or Sheep....no one could imagine their demise...
It happened in every example...largely due to breeding fads that removed the initial benefits that led to their popularity.
History is littered with them.
Some are rediscovered.....Shorthorns?......entirely due to the late Ken Morrison.
Suckler herds are undergoing something of a transformation.....much more emphasis on outwintering....and the ability to
stand difficult weather....Inevitably leading back to traditional breeds.

Suffolk, British Fresian, Hereford....

 

[M-J-G]

Rubbish, I am pretty sure Alan Jenkinson doesn’t need to pay around with those games, neither Charlie Boden.

I'd agree that they don't need to, particularly AJ, yet they still do.

 

[Bill the Bass]

I'd agree that they don't need to, particularly AJ, yet they still do.

I don’t think Christine Williams will be splashing out the ‘reciprocal’ cash, she doesn’t seem to be a massive spender. Come to think of it the Truemans (Trueman Jagger £100k plus) won’t have spent big with Jenkinson and I am sure the Gatherers (Barnsford Ferny £70k) won’t have bought big off Boden’s.

Whilst I am sure there is some ‘luck shenanigans’ goes on in the pedigree world, it’s much more exaggerated than is the truth, and mainly exaggerated by other farmers with loyalties to other breeds fuelled by bitterness and jealousy.

 

[M-J-G]

I don’t think Christine Williams will be splashing out the ‘reciprocal’ cash, she doesn’t seem to be a massive spender. Come to think of it the Truemans (Trueman Jagger £100k plus) won’t have spent big with Jenkinson and I am sure the Gatherers (Barnsford Ferny £70k) won’t have bought big off Boden’s.

Whilst I am sure there is some ‘luck shenanigans’ goes on in the pedigree world, it’s much more exaggerated than is the truth, and mainly exaggerated by other farmers with loyalties to other breeds fuelled by bitterness and jealousy.

It generally not as limited as that, its often bigger circles within a breed than just mutual back scratching and regularly goes beyond the breed weaving through other breeds, species and even industries.

 

[Agrivator]

Much the same could be said for every breed that has dominated in the last 100 years.....Cattle or Sheep....no one could imagine their demise...
It happened in every example...largely due to breeding fads that removed the initial benefits that led to their popularity.
History is littered with them.
Some are rediscovered.....Shorthorns?......entirely due to the late Ken Morrison.
Suckler herds are undergoing something of a transformation.....much more emphasis on outwintering....and the ability to
stand difficult weather....Inevitably leading back to traditional breeds.

Morrisons were tenants at Dumfries-House Farm. Prince Charles as Landlord? insisted they maintain a traditional beef breed. The Aberdeen Angus was already taken, so the Beef Shorthorn was chosen as the next best. The Hereford would have been dismissed as being too rare and too prone to yellow fat.

But the Shorthorn hasn't lived up to Morrisons' expectations. There are far too many so-called Beef Shorthorns with too much Dairy Shorthorn and Maine AnJou blood, with a poor meat to bone ratio.

 

[Bill the Bass]

It generally not as limited as that, its often bigger circles within a breed than just mutual back scratching and regularly goes beyond the breed weaving through other breeds, species and even industries.

Fair point, I do think it’s wildly exaggerated though.

 

[M-J-G]

Fair point, I do think it’s wildly exaggerated though.

I'd say you're right, it will be in some cases.

 

[M-J-G]

Morrisons were tenants at Dumfries-House Farm. Prince Charles as Landlord? insisted they maintain a traditional beef breed. The Aberdeen Angus was already taken, so the Beef Shorthorn was chosen as the next best. The Hereford would have been dismissed as being too rare and too prone to yellow fat.

But the Shorthorn hasn't lived up to Morrisons' expectations. There are far too many so-called Beef Shorthorns with too much Dairy Shorthorn and Maine AnJou blood, with a poor meat to bone ratio.

That's nonsense and it's not why it didn't work, it didn't take off because they couldn't get a regular enough supply of BSH cattle.
It wasn't anything to do with cattle quality or boning ratio.

Supermarkets are buying all kinds of cattle all the time with dairy x AA being something they push for, so why would they be bothered that a BSH has Maine AnJou in the BSH's background?

 

[Old Tup]

Morrisons were tenants at Dumfries-House Farm. Prince Charles as Landlord? insisted they maintain a traditional beef breed. The Aberdeen Angus was already taken, so the Beef Shorthorn was chosen as the next best. The Hereford would have been dismissed as being too rare and too prone to yellow fat.

But the Shorthorn hasn't lived up to Morrisons' expectations. There are far too many so-called Beef Shorthorns with too much Dairy Shorthorn and Maine AnJou blood, with a poor meat to bone ratio.

Doesn’t seem to be affecting the demand for a Shorthorn bull too much...
Not too long ago good bulls were sub £3k now how much???? £8 or £9k?
Largely practical stockmen recognising the future.....Pedigree specialists are jumping on the bandwagon now though.

 

[Cowgirl]

Morrisons were tenants at Dumfries-House Farm. Prince Charles as Landlord? insisted they maintain a traditional beef breed. The Aberdeen Angus was already taken, so the Beef Shorthorn was chosen as the next best. The Hereford would have been dismissed as being too rare and too prone to yellow fat.

But the Shorthorn hasn't lived up to Morrisons' expectations. There are far too many so-called Beef Shorthorns with too much Dairy Shorthorn and Maine AnJou blood, with a poor meat to bone ratio.

And what is wrong with yellow fat? It’s due to beta carotene from grass. Grain fed beef has white fat. Pasture fed animals have higher ratio of omega 3: omega 6 fats, which are healthier for humans.

 

[sheepwise]

That's nonsense and it's not why it didn't work, it didn't take off because they couldn't get a regular enough supply of BSH cattle.
It wasn't anything to do with cattle quality or boning ratio.

Supermarkets are buying all kinds of cattle all the time with dairy x AA being something they push for, so why would they be bothered that a BSH has Maine AnJou in the BSH's background?

Sorry but I would say that is rubbish. Right from the start it has been very difficult to get shorthorns into the scheme unless you are on the doorstep of the abattoir. The reason being that at most times of year they are offered plenty without going looking for them.Probably still the best premium available of any of the breed schemes operating. I think the Angus and shorthorn societies are due great credit for getting these schemes up and running for the benefit of their bull customers If the consumer has a good eating experience then all the better.

 

[livestock 1]

 

[livestock 1]

So within 50 years Limousin has become the most popular U.K. sired beef breed on its own merits all the way to the top no silly schemes or gimmicks just great cattle end of story.
No surprise that a pedigree heifer can make 250 k really look at the market it will be trying to serve. Surprised it didn’t make more

 

[MrFencer]

Rubbish, I am pretty sure Alan Jenkinson doesn’t need to pay around with those games, neither Charlie Boden.

Your view of the pedigree livestock sales is through rose tinted glasses.
Perhaps they havent done it in this case. But it certainly goes on.

 

[M-J-G]

Sorry but I would say that is rubbish. Right from the start it has been very difficult to get shorthorns into the scheme unless you are on the doorstep of the abattoir. The reason being that at most times of year they are offered plenty without going looking for them.Probably still the best premium available of any of the breed schemes operating. I think the Angus and shorthorn societies are due great credit for getting these schemes up and running for the benefit of their bull customers If the consumer has a good eating experience then all the better.

Was it a case of them not needing many cattle then? Why isn't it rolled out on any scale?
I was told there weren't enough BSH cattle to keep any decent size of supply going so it didn't gain any momentum.

 

[Bossfarmer]

i use lim bull for the heifers as theyre easier to calf than a charolais but as far as picking home replacements they could never compete with the simmentals, id even pick a charolais over them, far too wild, why would anyone pick a lim over a nice quiet milky easy to calf simmental??

 

[Optimus]

i use lim bull for the heifers as theyre easier to calf than a charolais but as far as picking home replacements they could never compete with the simmentals, id even pick a charolais over them, far too wild, why would anyone pick a lim over a nice quiet milky easy to calf simmental??

I'd probably take the sim an then put the limmy over it.