4630 Transmission Oil Spec

[P1LTS]

Can anybody advise on the correct specification for the transmission (not back end) oil in a 1990 Ford 4630 please? Also what is the most effective way of cleaning the transmission oil filter?

Thanks

 

[Cowabunga]

SuperUniversal [SUTO] everywhere but check driven front axle. SUTO should be fine in that as well. It is certainly suitable for my Ford 8360 transmission and front axle including hubs, which is just about double the power of yours.

The simplest way to clean a transmission oil filter, assuming that it is of a type that can be cleaned, is to wash it in diesel using plenty of common sense. Otherwise spin it off and replace with new.

 

[P1LTS]

SuperUniversal [SUTO] everywhere but check driven front axle. SUTO should be fine in that as well. It is certainly suitable for my Ford 8360 transmission and front axle including hubs, which is just about double the power of yours.

The simplest way to clean a transmission oil filter, assuming that it is of a type that can be cleaned, is to wash it in diesel using plenty of common sense. Otherwise spin it off and replace with new.

Thanks. The filter is bolted "inside" the transmission and I have been told they are circa £300 to replace, hence the question on how to clean. I was concerned about the oil spec with it having a shuttle shift and I was unsure whether that had any special requirements.

 

[Cowabunga]

There's a flat plate underneath the tractor that is removed, after draining the oil, to get at the suction filter for the shuttle. Just inspect it and wash it clean and replace any seals while re-assembling.

 

[forblue]

Recommended to replace depends on hours worked if original i would replace about £120.

 

[Cowabunga]

I'd only replace it if damaged. £120 will go far towards a family night out and I know which I'd rather spend it on.

 

[P1LTS]

Christ this is getting complicated. I thought old tractors would be simple. My operating manual turned up today. It states that the shuttle shift box can only use oil to Ford spec. M2C134-D (whereas the none shuttle shift box can use M2C134-D/C, M2C86-B or M2C159-B).

Ok then, I thought, lets have a look at the data sheet for the Morris Super Farm Universal that the local stockist carry.
This specifies it meets Ford M2C-159B / M2C-121B .

So I guess this is no good for my shuttle shift box.

Any thoughts?

 

[P1LTS]

Also, look at this:- the 300hr service instructions state that the transmission dipstick shouldnt be screwed in to measure th oil level, whereas the 1200hr service instructions state that it should!. Perhaps not a big dela but it will make a massive difference to the level on the dipstick.

 

[john432]

Christ this is getting complicated. I thought old tractors would be simple. My operating manual turned up today. It states that the shuttle shift box can only use oil to Ford spec. M2C134-D (whereas the none shuttle shift box can use M2C134-D/C, M2C86-B or M2C159-B).

Ok then, I thought, lets have a look at the data sheet for the Morris Super Farm Universal that the local stockist carry.
This specifies it meets Ford M2C-159B / M2C-121B .

So I guess this is no good for my shuttle shift box.

Any thoughts?

I wouldn't be surprised if that last letter. difference is just the viscosity at different ambient temperature range. Any Super universal would be more than adequate for the gubbins of a tractor of that era.

 

[Cowabunga]

Christ this is getting complicated. I thought old tractors would be simple. My operating manual turned up today. It states that the shuttle shift box can only use oil to Ford spec. M2C134-D (whereas the none shuttle shift box can use M2C134-D/C, M2C86-B or M2C159-B).

Ok then, I thought, lets have a look at the data sheet for the Morris Super Farm Universal that the local stockist carry.
This specifies it meets Ford M2C-159B / M2C-121B .

So I guess this is no good for my shuttle shift box.

Any thoughts?

It will be fine for your gearbox. Absolutely perfect. Don't worry about it.

 

[Cowabunga]

Also, look at this:- the 300hr service instructions state that the transmission dipstick shouldnt be screwed in to measure th oil level, whereas the 1200hr service instructions state that it should!. Perhaps not a big dela but it will make a massive difference to the level on the dipstick.

I wouldn't worry about that either, seeing as Ford themselves couldn't make their mind up. Personally I would screw it in but its only the difference of probably 4 litres or so either way.

 

[P1LTS]

I wouldn't worry about that either, seeing as Ford themselves couldn't make their mind up. Personally I would screw it in but its only the difference of probably 4 litres or so either way.

4 litres is nearly half of the total 9.7L capcpacity!!!

 

[davidroberts30]

4 litres is nearly half of the total 9.7L capcpacity!!!

so when your changing the oil measure your 9,7 in and see if the dipstick needs to be screwed in or on top.......

 

[P1LTS]

so when your changing the oil measure your 9,7 in and see if the dipstick needs to be screwed in or on top.......

Thats the plan!

 

[Cowabunga]

4 litres is nearly half of the total 9.7L capcpacity!!!

Then it will be much much less. As said, Ford themselves couldn't make their minds up. I always use the dipstick unscrewed to roughly gauge the level to know when to slow down, then fill to the mark or a bit higher with the dipstick screwed down. It doesn't matter if you fill higher this way because you are unlikely to fill above the mark when the dipstick is unscrewed if you see what I mean. Basically it isn't critical as long as the level is there or thereabouts.

 

[76masseyman]

Christ this is getting complicated. I thought old tractors would be simple. My operating manual turned up today. It states that the shuttle shift box can only use oil to Ford spec. M2C134-D (whereas the none shuttle shift box can use M2C134-D/C, M2C86-B or M2C159-B).

Ok then, I thought, lets have a look at the data sheet for the Morris Super Farm Universal that the local stockist carry.
This specifies it meets Ford M2C-159B / M2C-121B .

So I guess this is no good for my shuttle shift box.

Any thoughts?

All obsolete Ford specifications, now superseded by the CNH MAT series. As said earlier in the thread, a quality UTTO is required, and this should meet the latest Ford/ New Holland spec’ of MAT 3525, which will cover all you wish to do.

 

[P1LTS]

This is the oil I am intending to use:-

Microsoft Word - TDS Agrimax Super Farm 10W-30 (morrislubricants.co.uk)

 

[76masseyman]

Super universal with the Ford M2C 159B as you mentioned earlier. This has engine specs as well which makes it a SUTTO rather than a UTTO, but perfectly suitable for your requirements, as mentioned by the duck earlier.

 

[P1LTS]

Oil drained (lets just say there was less then there should have been!) filter removed and cleaned in diesel for an hour. Oil refilled. Circa 9l brought the level up to the top of the dipstick when it was fully screwed in or just to the bottom of "safe" mark when the dipstick was just rested in position without fully screwing it home. In my reckoning, that means the correct way to use the dipstick is with it fully screwed home as the manual states 9.4L capacity.

Thanks for all the help, it is appreciated.

 

[Blue_In_Shropshire]

The primary reason why the books related to your 30 series talk about different oils, was a lot to do with a change of FORD NH strategic oil purchasing planning in 1989 through into 1991 to try and simplify things for the future.

The introduction of the 3 cyl 30 series ran alongside the last production batches of old design 3 cyl 10 series.

Like wise the introduction of 40 series/ 4 + 6 cyl 10 series.

Like wise the introduction of 8030 series/ TW series.

All the old models would happily run on Ford M2C 159B - old school thicker super universal.

All the new models where encouraged to be on Ford M2C134-D from the outset - Modern thinner oil, used right up to current models today. Was re-branded New Holland Multi G in 1994.

For a 3 cyl 30 series i used to recommend to put the old school M2C 159B oil in the rear axle AND the gearbox, irrespective of which of the three gearbox versions exist.

The newer 134D / Multi G oil, being very thin even when cold, is very good at finding any semi perished o-rings/seals and leaks can appear overnight!