Razorready
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Q8 oils here t750 for the engines t2200 for the backends on all the tractors
6630 Engine oil
- Thread starter trev7530
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- North West
I’m pretty sure the “oil” will be the same, it’s the additives and detergents that could be different. Oil can be sold as an equivalent as the actual lubricant will be the same.
I’ve stripped “a lot” of deere engines over the years and I can usually say with some accuracy if it’s had plus 50 in just be removing the rocker cover!
I have one chap who brings his R series to me to service because his old man refuses to buy jd oil, he knows I’ll put plus 50 in though.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
No, like France and the UK and Germany and Eastern Europe all having regional suppliers for markets that can be competitively supplied. Does Morris Lubricants supply AGCO and Claas aftermarket oils in France? Maybe. Maybe not. They certainly don't supply Beauvais to either the MF or adjoining GIMA factories with the initial filling.
CNH certainly have their lubes centrally sourced for most of Europe, but I wouldn't say there was anything influencing others to follow suit.
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
At this price I might as well use Plus 50 or have I conveniently forgetten just how expensive Plus 50 is...?
I'm using 200l drums and it was at least 80 quid a drum cheaper
Your pricing off eBay tho not directly from the company
What about filters, can get Baldwin and fuel manager cheap, or not worth it?So it’s made it to 10000h on genuine oil and now you want to put something different in.
I’ve said it before genuine oil is cheaper than the first hour of doing this job!
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Just saying, I know which oil I’m sticking with
- Location
- North West
Unless you cut the filter open it’s had to say if it’s any good really, I’m sure some aftermarket filters are fine but would like to name any specific brands.
Personally I look at it as genuine oil and filters (engine oil/fuel only) for a 500h engine service is less the £200, that’s less than 40p an hour (without getting exact prices I’m only estimating) on a machine that would cost in excess of 70k to buy now!
- Location
- Near Derby
The Morris man told me at a Claas machinery launch a few months ago that they had lost the Claas order. He told me it had gone to France as they wanted to source their oils from 1 supplier. He seemed quite upset!
I'm surprised he didn't blame Brexit, but he didn't mention it.
P.S. I put the JD Plus 50 into my Claas combine, I hope it doesn't mind.
livestock 1
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Haha
I bet he was upset! It’s quite common for big companies to deal with the one supplier or want to anyway!
The fuel filters on a JD 6630 are actually a Stanadyne Fuel Manager system and Baldwin own Stanadyne filtration and additives so whether you put on John Deere branded, Stanadyne Fuel Manager branded or Baldwin branded fuel filters they will be all out of the same factory in the USA just with different paint jobs.
- Location
- Near Derby
We were told not long ago that JD filters were made by Donaldson. I'd rather buy the genuine and try to get a discount.
Yes the engine oil filter, air filters and hydraulic/transmission filters are indeed made by Donaldson. John Deere don't make filters.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Yes, except that Baldwin makes the fuel filters, as already mentioned. They used to be Stanadyne Fuel Manager filters but Baldwin bought the company out several years ago. So whether you get a filter with Stanadyne, Baldwin, or JD paint job, they will be the same filter.
Many engines use the bayonet fixing Fuel Manager filters. This Summer I did buy a New Holland genuine filter of the same style and it was faulty. It wouldn't let any fuel through. Someone at the factory had not installed the central tube that supports the filter media, which had collapsed in on itself and was lying in a heap in the lower half. Dealer checked his stock of twenty or so filters from the same batch, recently received, and they were all the same. All faulty.
So don't believe it when you are told that genuine parts are superior. It ain't necessarily so.
- Location
- Near Derby
Did you tell us a few months ago the the NH filters were made in China?
Pheasant Surprise
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- Location
- Woodbridge, Suffolk
I understood the filtration and fuel treatment side of Stanadyne was sold to Clarcor (owners of Baldwin) in 2014 but in 2017 Clarcor got gobbled up by Parker Hannifin of hydraulic and pneumatic fame. Goodness knows where the filters are made now, probably Mexico or China.
Yes they were but the Fuel Manager style filters are still made in the US.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
I think that I recall the NH filter being made in Mexico, but I'm not sure.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Yes. Something like that. It's not so long ago that we previously went through the history of these filters and companies in some detail.
That was Donaldsons copy (branded CNH) of a fuel manager filter that you had trouble with.