750a row cleaners ?

[marco]

well that would cost 8400€ for a 4meter + shipping which is far to much in my opinion.

 

[Clive]

Could put them in front of the tine on a claydon!

No real point with a tine drill. The tine sweeps for you and these things aren't blockage stoppers but just a way to moved chopped straw away from the seeded row

 

[Clive]

well that would cost 8400€ for a 4meter + shipping which is far to much in my opinion.

They certainly aren't cheap ! But neither is a cross slot and people still buy them !

 

[York]

Research done by JD in the late 90's.
Topic of Row cleaners on a 750:
Been there, done it - got the T Shirt.
Why do you think I "ended up" somewhat with CS? And still help clients, mayority hasn't got a CS, to get the best out of their drill?
Have a good day.
York-Th.

 

[155tm]

Hi guys, I can assure you the original video was much better quality than the one posted here. We use our row cleaners on 7.5" spacings and 10" spacings. In thick residue you can get blockage in the middle of the unit where the left and right openers meet. This can be dealt with by not using the two centre residue managers and locking them in the out of service position. Not ideal but a quick solution to deal with the situation. Obviously space plays a major part in this but if you can still deal with the residue on the other openers. Any other questions?

Video is the link from your website. I wonder if it has lost quality because we are on the far side of the world?

Anyway interesting modification for a JD 750a. Do other users report increased power requirement to push the row cleaners?

 

[Bprengineering]

The Residue managers only just touch the surface of the ground, that is all that is required to move the residue. That are not meant to dig in to the soil although will disturb the top layer slightly when set correctly. We have had no issues with extra power being required although I would assume that it does make a slight difference to the machine.

 

[Bprengineering]

I have attached a file of a scenario in relation to seed and fertilizer costs when using residue managers versus not using them. This was done for us by one of our customers after they had been using our wheels for a season. I know it is a big outlay to fit these wheels to your machine but our customers assure us that the pay for themselves time and time again. The high cost has come about as we have spent the past six years refining, redeveloping and sourcing the very best components to make these wheels robust and efficient. They need to be very reliable at time of use as quite often there is only a small window of opportunity to get your crops in.

 

[York]

maybe I have overlooked it but could you just refer to which wheat yields you are talking so people can have a idea how much straw is left.
Als how many days are between harvest and going in with the drill.
York-Th.

 

[Bprengineering]

I will have to check on the variety, it was quite some time ago. We are finished harvest by Christmas and start planting around late April so about four - five months.

 

[Cjm]

I've been looking quite seriously at a major change in machinery policy over the last 12 months. I've looked at the prime west cross slot and been very impressed, but have yet to see a 750a working which seems the nearest competitor. A 6metre 750a will be approx £70k, my question to those of you that use one is what would I need to add to a standard new one to enable it to work in 'most' dd situations. I.e. Row cleaners, guttler rollers etc. if you are able to price these for me then so much the better! Many thanks in advance...

 

[Clive]

I've been looking quite seriously at a major change in machinery policy over the last 12 months. I've looked at the prime west cross slot and been very impressed, but have yet to see a 750a working which seems the nearest competitor. A 6metre 750a will be approx £70k, my question to those of you that use one is what would I need to add to a standard new one to enable it to work in 'most' dd situations. I.e. Row cleaners, guttler rollers etc. if you are able to price these for me then so much the better! Many thanks in advance...

gutters yes - transform the drill, something like 2k for a 6m i think

nothing else needed really

row cleaners a bit unproven in UK conditions but I have @Bpengineering one coming to test, its debatable how much of an issue hair pinning really is and everyone has their opinion on it, the problem can be solved by rotation as well as with machinery though if your concerned about it

 

[SilliamWhale]

I've been looking quite seriously at a major change in machinery policy over the last 12 months. I've looked at the prime west cross slot and been very impressed, but have yet to see a 750a working which seems the nearest competitor. A 6metre 750a will be approx £70k, my question to those of you that use one is what would I need to add to a standard new one to enable it to work in 'most' dd situations. I.e. Row cleaners, guttler rollers etc. if you are able to price these for me then so much the better! Many thanks in advance...

start with guttlers but the most important things come before the drill - rotation and trash management. make sure you gen up a bit on this first!

 

[Cjm]

start with guttlers but the most important things come before the drill - rotation and trash management. make sure you gen up a bit on this first!

Have spent hundreds of hours on TFF "researching" these very subjects. Just ask my wife! As for trash management, that really follows on from rotation in my opinion. I currently bale everything, but would like to be introducing cover crops and widening the rotation, however at the present time I have a number of share farm/contract farmers who may just take some persuading. An impending change in the structure of the farm means I may have the opportunity to start with a blank sheet of paper and implement my 'fantasy farm'. I've all but convinced myself a cross slot is the way to go as it may be more forgiving of my mistakes, although there are a few points I would like to iron out first, however it would be wrong of me not to check out the nearest competitor. Looking forward to this years drill trial! Did get 50 acres drilled with the cross slot on a neighbours last Autumn, but couldn't get a 750a in. Thanks for your response

 

[Clive]

Have spent hundreds of hours on TFF "researching" these very subjects. Just ask my wife! As for trash management, that really follows on from rotation in my opinion. I currently bale everything, but would like to be introducing cover crops and widening the rotation, however at the present time I have a number of share farm/contract farmers who may just take some persuading. An impending change in the structure of the farm means I may have the opportunity to start with a blank sheet of paper and implement my 'fantasy farm'. I've all but convinced myself a cross slot is the way to go as it may be more forgiving of my mistakes, although there are a few points I would like to iron out first, however it would be wrong of me not to check out the nearest competitor. Looking forward to this years drill trial! Did get 50 acres drilled with the cross slot on a neighbours last Autumn, but couldn't get a 750a in. Thanks for your response

Where do you see an advantage of a CS over 750a ? It what situation on your farm and planned rotation would you expect it to perform better or do something the 750 couldn't ?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Have spent hundreds of hours on TFF "researching" these very subjects. Just ask my wife! As for trash management, that really follows on from rotation in my opinion. I currently bale everything, but would like to be introducing cover crops and widening the rotation, however at the present time I have a number of share farm/contract farmers who may just take some persuading. An impending change in the structure of the farm means I may have the opportunity to start with a blank sheet of paper and implement my 'fantasy farm'. I've all but convinced myself a cross slot is the way to go as it may be more forgiving of my mistakes, although there are a few points I would like to iron out first, however it would be wrong of me not to check out the nearest competitor. Looking forward to this years drill trial! Did get 50 acres drilled with the cross slot on a neighbours last Autumn, but couldn't get a 750a in. Thanks for your response

I'd also recommending visiting lots of farmers from here too if you can.

 

[Cjm]

Where do you see an advantage of a CS over 750a ? It what situation on your farm and planned rotation would you expect it to perform better or do something the 750 couldn't ?

Purely from a seed placement point of view, I see the fact that the seed isn't placed directly in the vertical opening as a good thing. On clay soils the potential for that slot to open up if the ground dries out as a risk that the CS overcomes. Conversely, in a wet time, I like the fact that the disc cutting to a depth several inches below the seed depth can only help to encourage rooting

 

[Cjm]

I'd also recommending visiting lots of farmers from here too if you can.

That's something I'd really like to do, but at the moment it's difficult to find any spare time! I was planning on coming to the BASE UK agm with a neighbour, but something cropped up( excuse the pun)

 

[dontknowanything]

Purely from a seed placement point of view, I see the fact that the seed isn't placed directly in the vertical opening as a good thing. On clay soils the potential for that slot to open up if the ground dries out as a risk that the CS overcomes. Conversely, in a wet time, I like the fact that the disc cutting to a depth several inches below the seed depth can only help to encourage rooting

Stop it!

Pointing out agronomic reasons for a CS being better than a 750a is against the rules.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Stop it!

Pointing out agronomic reasons for a CS being better than a 750a is against the rules.

Purely from a seed placement point of view, I see the fact that the seed isn't placed directly in the vertical opening as a good thing. On clay soils the potential for that slot to open up if the ground dries out as a risk that the CS overcomes. Conversely, in a wet time, I like the fact that the disc cutting to a depth several inches below the seed depth can only help to encourage rooting

1. Seed placed vertical in the opening - millions of ha are planted like this in conditions dryer than our own. The seed is also firmed into moisture by a firming wheel with the 750 - this is a good bit of kit. I think the key thing is to get the seed in the bottom of the trench and firmed in with a good thin firming wheel with a bit of flex in it.

2. The soil should generally be flicked or pushed over the soil with the 750 rather than peeled or pressed over. The aim is not to ram it shut with soil or it will dry out. I personally am not keep on the cross slot closing wheels - they are smooth and look like they are pushing the slot closed. (but not seen one in action for a few years)

I'm not flag waving here as it doesn't matter what drill anyone chooses to me as the main interest is no till for me. But I think two the arguments in favour of a cross slot are for problems I've don't seen once you have bought the add ons for a 750 - a factory set 750 is not good enough but when adapted its accurate and reliable. I don't think that Baker et al did enough research against a well tuned, well set up 750 before making the cross slot, certainly I can't find it in the book they wrote - its very focused on triple disc and tine drills and triple discs I don't rate really. The 750 isn't totally plain sailing - you need to maintain it well. Also the cutting angle with a bigger disc needs more downpressure.

The other point about the disc cutting to a depth deeper than the seed could be an advantage I agree. That said you are having to pay a lot extra for that in terms of engineering, weight and cost and so this will increase your costs and it may be a moot advantage much of the time as well. It can even be a disadvantage for the reasons just stated.

 

[Clive]

Look what the UPS man bought today