Anybody NOT t2-ing, t1-ing etc because of frosts

[Brisel]

Zypar will hammer fumitory

Agreed. I'm using Zypar where the next crop will be oilseed rape as I'm concerned about metsulfuron residues but it's a bit more expensive.

 

[ollie989898]

YaraVita Mancuflo which is a suspension. CMPP and manganese chelate solution would be unlikely to leave the sprayer tank in anything other than a shovel.



With respect, the brew needs to be tailored to the weed spectrum. CMPP won't do large cleavers, fat hen and bindweed. See the attachment.

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Interesting how people go about the job differently. I would never have relied on vanilla starane to control fat hen or bindweed, lays them out a bit but not for very long sometimes. I see your SU combination is met and tri though whereas mine was always met and thife which may be something to do with it.

To be fair, I don't think much ever came through Avro + CMPP or Avro + starane, I guess they disrupt them enough to keep them at bay for several weeks by which time the crop is well ahead of the game anyway.

I'd have plenty of confidence with Yaras products as they do a lot of compatibility stuff. I bet mancuflo is used a lot on the chalks.

 

[Flat 10]

Interesting how people go about the job differently. I would never have relied on vanilla starane to control fat hen or bindweed, lays them out a bit but not for very long sometimes. I see your SU combination is met and tri though whereas mine was always met and thife which may be something to do with it.

To be fair, I don't think much ever came through Avro + CMPP or Avro + starane, I guess they disrupt them enough to keep them at bay for several weeks by which time the crop is well ahead of the game anyway.

I'd have plenty of confidence with Yaras products as they do a lot of compatibility stuff. I bet mancuflo is used a lot on the chalks.

Starane is ace on bindweed

 

[ollie989898]

Starane is ace on bindweed

Lays it flat for a bit. Can come back though. It's happened to me in maize.

That said, I've used starane redshank and pale persicaria and it lays out even big plants flat very quickly.

 

[Brisel]

So many ways to skin the proverbial cat with these multiple combination SUs that you can buck up with hormones. It depends on weed size, other species etc etc.

 

[Clive]

Spraying anything here on anything would do more harm than good

I really can see us shutting gates until harvest the way things are going, desperately dry

 

[ollie989898]

So many ways to skin the proverbial cat with these multiple combination SUs that you can buck up with hormones. It depends on weed size, other species etc etc.

I think there is a lot more going on than a weed simply being 'susceptible' or 'resistant'. These things must slow them down and take some time to grow off even if a weed is technically resistant.

 

[BenB]

I do quite a bit of SU+CMPP+Starane, I find it perfectly safe (at correct growth stages), especially where you're chasing a wide spectrum including fat hen, orache, fumitory amongst everything else! I am finding myself using more Zypar +/- reduced SU also, but it is more expensive.

Given the amount of SU's generally used throughout the rotation I also think adding a few £ of Phenoxy is justified to help with resistance management.

 

[ollie989898]

Absolutely, the phenoxies are cheap, and a reduced rate of them along with an SU broadens it a bit. I never used maximum doses of anything when doing that, I don't think it was really necessary.

 

[Flat 10]

Lays it flat for a bit. Can come back though. It's happened to me in maize.

That said, I've used starane redshank and pale persicaria and it lays out even big plants flat very quickly.

Sorry always in combination with SU at half to three quarter rate

 

[Brisel]

Spraying anything here on anything would do more harm than good

I really can see us shutting gates until harvest the way things are going, desperately dry

It's not like you to be so down, Clive. Ask your wife to give you a hug!

 

[robbie]

Absolutely, the phenoxies are cheap, and a reduced rate of them along with an SU broadens it a bit. I never used maximum doses of anything when doing that, I don't think it was really necessary.

For years my staple spring barley blw spray has been half rate ally max and half rate easel(750 mcpa) I've not seen anything get past that.

This year on some I had to use half rate ally max and half starane hi load because of growth stage but I'm not convinced it's as good as the mcpa.

 

[BenB]

For years my staple spring barley blw spray has been half rate ally max and half rate easel(750 mcpa) I've not seen anything get past that.

This year on some I had to use half rate ally max and half starane hi load because of growth stage but I'm not convinced it's as good as the mcpa.

I’ve often wondered about doing Ally Max + MCPA as often have bad patches of creeping thistle, that would be an ideal mix. Does it not let cleavers through though?

 

[ollie989898]

I’ve often wondered about doing Ally Max + MCPA as often have bad patches of creeping thistle, that would be an ideal mix. Does it not let cleavers through though?

In theory cleavers would get through.

I used to do Avro and MCPA together for BLWs + fumitory though it wasn't fully susceptible from memory. I remember once a customer did cimarron and full rate MCPA for creeping thistle on grassland and they didn't come back.

 

[Flat 10]

For years my staple spring barley blw spray has been half rate ally max and half rate easel(750 mcpa) I've not seen anything get past that.

This year on some I had to use half rate ally max and half starane hi load because of growth stage but I'm not convinced it's as good as the mcpa.

You are allowed to use mcpa later on ww it’s annoying cut off on barley. I also want to sling trace elements in so get annoyed by that too. I think starane is better on something’s but probably not thistles !

 

[ollie989898]

For years my staple spring barley blw spray has been half rate ally max and half rate easel(750 mcpa) I've not seen anything get past that.

This year on some I had to use half rate ally max and half starane hi load because of growth stage but I'm not convinced it's as good as the mcpa.

Used loads of Easel, great product. MCPA, 2,4D, CMPP etc were dirty cheap for what they are.

 

[ollie989898]

You are allowed to use mcpa later on ww it’s annoying cut off on barley. I also want to sling trace elements in so get annoyed by that too. I think starane is better on something’s but probably not thistles !

In my experience, if you didn't get the weeds sorted in barley by the cut off you would never see them again anyway because the barley would rocket.

 

[Northern territory]

I am going with avro + prompt never much gets through that. Cleavers poss at t2 but less and less of them nowadays. Like@clive though desperately dry. I am not kidding you I have seen trials where Untreated plots have yielded higher than fungicide treated in dry springs like this.

 

[ollie989898]

I am going with avro + prompt never much gets through that. Cleavers poss at t2 but less and less of them nowadays. Like@clive though desperately dry. I am not kidding you I have seen trials where Untreated plots have yielded higher than fungicide treated in dry springs like this.

Yeah there won't be much coming through prompt. That would be a heck of a grassland product if it was on label, too.

 

[robbie]

I’ve often wondered about doing Ally Max + MCPA as often have bad patches of creeping thistle, that would be an ideal mix. Does it not let cleavers through though?

I've only ever in my 15 odd years of spraying sprayed a couple of cans of fluroxypry for cleavers and that was on some rented land.I had to ask on here about starane as I'd never had any experience of it. I always assumed we just didnt have cleavers but maybe the mcpa and ally max or inka sx before that,always cleared them up.

You are allowed to use mcpa later on ww it’s annoying cut off on barley. I also want to sling trace elements in so get annoyed by that too. I think starane is better on something’s but probably not thistles !

I've always added Mn with mcpa/24d no problems that's along with CU,ZN and Mag aswell...... I think I may have had some SOP in there aswell a time or two.[emoji848]