Anyone for a Brexit ?

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
I don't see it as anything to brag about that we don't produce anything anymore. Living on the need to constantly remortgage our housing stock as a way of financing the countries future can only end in one way.

We produce plenty , we just don't own the companies that run them, most of our cars are actually worth buying though unlike the shite produced 30 years ago.
 

bovrill

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Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
We produce plenty , we just don't own the companies that run them, most of our cars are actually worth buying though unlike the shite produced 30 years ago.
I think we mainly assemble.
Other countries do the producing, then all the bits get sent here to get put together.
A tour round New Holland's plant last year looked like a very different place from my last visit there 25 years ago.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
We produce plenty , we just don't own the companies that run them, most of our cars are actually worth buying though unlike the shite produced 30 years ago.

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bobk

Member
Location
stafford
I think we mainly assemble.
Other countries do the producing, then all the bits get sent here to get put together.
A tour round New Holland's plant last year looked like a very different place from my last visit there 25 years ago.


I was thinking landrover jaguar.
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
All the people wanting to exit the eu,what rules and laws do you see being removed from us.not rules and laws that the tabloid press go on about but ones that apply to all of the eu that we have to abide with?
 

Ley253

Member
Location
Bath
The EU an instrument of peace? Well they said that about Yugoslavia, an equally artificial country.That had a really peaceful break up! The eu recognises that this is the natural end to its ideas, hence the intention to submerge all the nations in a flood of immigrants and so obliterate any national pride or traditions.
 

RobFZS

Member
All the people wanting to exit the eu,what rules and laws do you see being removed from us.not rules and laws that the tabloid press go on about but ones that apply to all of the eu that we have to abide with?
Driving licences is one, they have implemented that much legislation now, that people simple do not bother to learn to ride motorcycles anymore, thus killing of biking and the whole industry attached to it.

Not being allowed to buy a massive powered hoover now as they use too much power apparently,old fashioned light bulbs banned because they are not efficient enough, special spec of oven gloves needed in kitchens emissions equipment on tractors pushing the cost up, what was that story on here about having to send a load of machines back because they didn't fit the required emissions cat here?, smart motorways in line with regulation, the list of meddling is endless, why do some people love being told what to do? can they not think for themselves or something.

Funny how America is getting a ttip deal, but i very much doubt the eu will have any bearing on their day to day life of their american citizens, the whole thing has been left to get out of control and it's time to stop.
 

turbo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
So if we leave the eu the emissions regs are going to go are they,I doubt it?. The Products the usa send here have to comply with the rules the same as we do but they have no say in their making.
 
Driving licences is one, they have implemented that much legislation now, that people simple do not bother to learn to ride motorcycles anymore, thus killing of biking and the whole industry attached to it.

Not being allowed to buy a massive powered hoover now as they use too much power apparently,old fashioned light bulbs banned because they are not efficient enough, special spec of oven gloves needed in kitchens emissions equipment on tractors pushing the cost up, what was that story on here about having to send a load of machines back because they didn't fit the required emissions cat here?, smart motorways in line with regulation, the list of meddling is endless, why do some people love being told what to do? can they not think for themselves or something.

Funny how America is getting a ttip deal, but i very much doubt the eu will have any bearing on their day to day life of their american citizens, the whole thing has been left to get out of control and it's time to stop.

Even Christopher Booker said that the Vacuum cleaner story was nonsense

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ight-and-its-not-banning-vacuum-cleaners.html

'In fact, there is no “ban” on powerful vacuums, kettles, hair dryers or anything else. What Brussels is doing, under its Ecodesign Directive 2009/125, is to encourage manufacturers to develop appliances that require less electricity to produce a much more efficient performance'.

As regards the costs or otherwise of EU legislation (and many other things) this is worth a read

http://www.global-counsel.co.uk/sys...Global_Counsel_Impact_of_Brexit_June_2015.pdf

"The UK has championed the single market, but outside the EU would no longer be an effective advocate of further liberalisation. UK critics often complain about EU regulatory excesses, but many regulations are intended to create the level playing field the single market requires. A paradox of UK euroscepticism is that following Brexit the UK would lose influence over EU regulation without gaining much freedom to regulate independently.

One estimate suggests national regulation is 2.5 times more cost effective than EU regulation. EU processes are criticised for being opaque and hard to influence, particularly for SMEs. However, under most Brexit scenarios the UK must choose between adopting EU rules or being excluded from the single market. Neither the Norwegian nor Swiss models avoid this dilemma. Common regulations are necessary for the single market in goods and services, which is a UK priority. An FTA scenario is only marginally different. This would give the UK more flexibility to choose whether to adopt EU regulation, but as TTIP shows the biggest prize for modern FTAs is regulatory convergence.

The public debate in the UK often fails to recognise the benefits from EU regulation. The 100 most expensive regulations cost the UK economy £27.4bn each year, whereas the benefits total £57.1bn, according to UK government impact assessments. Some individual regulations appear particularly costly, such as the Agency Workers Directive, which has a net cost of over £500m each year. The figures are contestable as the benefits are hard to estimate and some of the costs are due to gold-plating of standards by the UK.

The OECD regards the UK as the second least regulated product market after the Netherlands. Labour market regulation is comparable with the US, Canada and Australia and is much lower than other EU countries. This suggests there is no conflict between EU regulations and a highly-liberal market economy. Moreover, the OECD observes that one of the most heavily regulated areas in the UK - and one of the most damaging for productivity - is the system for obtaining planning permission, which has nothing to do with the EU."
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
It makes me laugh when folk constantly come up with all these rules and regulations that the EU have specifically dreamt up by Johnny Foreigner undermine the UK. The UK is one of major players in dreaming these regulations up, we have thousands of MEP's , civil servants, NGO members, lobby groups all based in Brussels actively participating in this, and making sure the UK's interests are upheld. If I pity anyone, it's all the small countries that often have very limited influence but were the consequences of these rule changes can often have devastating impacts.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
The EU an instrument of peace? Well they said that about Yugoslavia, an equally artificial country.That had a really peaceful break up! The eu recognises that this is the natural end to its ideas, hence the intention to submerge all the nations in a flood of immigrants and so obliterate any national pride or traditions.

Yugoslavia's states had been fighting like cat & dog for centuries. Under the benevolent dictatorship of Tito they held together for the rest of his life before trouble spilled over again ten years after his death.

Western Europe is not Yugoslavia! We're all in bed together for the time being, whatever the outcome of the vote.
 
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