Will the Fast and Vast grow with no nitrogen?
On ground that's in good condition
On ground that's in good condition
Anyone using a 2 year IRG, clover, vetch silage ley?
- Thread starter Winklepicker
- Start date
- Location
- Ceredigion
The idea of putting Vetch in is that it produces a lot of Bulk without Nitrogen , the Nitrogen it supplies being available later on when the Vetch is failing and the Red Clover is becoming more dominant , I never use Nitrogen on legume crops but P K and PH need to be well looked after , I also put rotted muck on if I'm ploughing first
Why is common vetch no good?
I see Cotswolds mix only has the common vetch in
- Location
- Ceredigion
It's not as hardy as winter Vetch , if you cut it after it flowers its gone , but Crimson Clover won't either , the yield is lower as well , but seed is cheap and it supplies more nitrogen than most other legumes
@ som farmer is doing a lot of work on legumes in grass systems , look on the other topic on Clover Overseed ING
What alternative s do we have , you would need to be a brave man now to put a straight Italian grass in now unless you had a cheaper source of Nitrogen than the bagged stuff
Something I was trying to explain,
Common Vetch won't winter
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- Location
- Essex
I wouldn't say it is no good, just that hairy vetch is remarkably good. I should point out that I have only done it once but planning to do again.
It has to overwinter and then grow away in the spring. I'm not sure how well common vetch will do that.
I've just looked up my drilling records. I had 10kg of hairy vetch and 1kg of red clover which I don't remember seeing in the sward. So beware of the smothering effect. Maybe 5kg would be better. 10kg did give a very thick crop.
Kg per ha by the way.
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- Location
- Ceredigion
Department launches new Red Clover Silage Measure - Agriland.ie
Following the measures announced last week, the department has launched another element of the package - the Red Clover Silage Measure.
www.agriland.ie
- Location
- Ceredigion
Grew this last year , not seen any nitrogen , had a good first cut and a lot of good grazing after , not seen the grass seed rate as an issue , although those grasses would tiller a bit more
3.00kg ASTONCRUSADER Hybrid Ryegrass Tet
4.00 kg TETRAGRAZE Hybrid Ryegrass Tet
2.00 kg ROY Perennial Ryegrass Int Tet
1.50 kg MERULA Broad Red Clover
1.50 kg ATLANTIS Red Clover Tet
12.00 kg per acre
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Doesn’t sainfoin need to be on very free draining land, hence why it used to be grown on Cotswold brash years ago.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
They’d have a hell of a lot more seed in a kilo as well, being smaller than IRG & Festuloliums.
- Location
- South Molton
I didn't want to teach granny how to suck eggs
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Yes doesn’t like wet feet I’ve grown some here as an experimental mix
- Location
- Essex
Probably does better on there but we're on silt and clay which can lie wet and it seems to do ok. It's a fairly chalky subsoil which must help.
Also it's relatively cheap and some always grows so I keep going.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Think you need to grow a field of ‘holy hay’ brother Neil
- Location
- Western Oregon
We have some tall ladino white clovers here that do very well in a hay cutting. It seems very happy on my heavy, wet acidic soils. One variety has basically taken over one of my smaller hay fields as the improved grasses have faded. Planted hairy vetch as a break crop on a small field that had been taken over by foxtail. Fallowed it for the summer and fall planted with oats. Produced an incredible amount of forage with no inputs other than some lime previous. If I do that again I will use ARG rather than oats for grazing with sheep but wonder what kind of hay it would have made?