Arable offer online application

[Hereward]

So I've nearly completed the online Arable offer application.

I've added all the land parcels, I'm confused when you choose the options for each of the Categories do you just claim for the first year for rotational items?

For example, AB6 Enhanced over winter stubble, if I choose this for 'field A' which is 5ha for the first year, but in year 2 I will move the option to 'field B' which is 10ha, how will the RPA know how much money to budget if they don't know in the first instance, or when you rotate options does it have to be the exact area each year? So 'field B' I would only be able to claim 5ha worth of AB6 in year 2?

 

[spin cycle]

i didn't know when i submitted mine but apparently (as i understand it) you can apply for more in your application but don't have to claim all of it every year....so you could apply for 10ha.....but if the field was smaller in any year you'd just apply for less that yr.....it's worth contacting your local FWAG cos they're running free advice as i'm no expert

 

[Wheatland]

I don’t know specifically for the simplified arable scheme, but in other mid tiers I’m involved in, you only get paid for the area you sign up to in the the application. In your example, you are able to put field b in AB6 in year two. You will get paid for 5ha, what you do with the other 5ha is up to you.

 

[Hereward]

i didn't know when i submitted mine but apparently (as i understand it) you can apply for more in your application but don't have to claim all of it every year....so you could apply for 10ha.....but if the field was smaller in any year you'd just apply for less that yr.....it's worth contacting your local FWAG cos they're running free advice as i'm no expert

That makes sense, do you have to do a claim form in the first year? Or just subsequent years?

I don’t know specifically for the simplified arable scheme, but in other mid tiers I’m involved in, you only get paid for the area you sign up to in the the application. In your example, you are able to put field b in AB6 in year two. You will get paid for 5ha, what you do with the other 5ha is up to you.

That seems logical, did wonder how else they could budget for it. Presmable on the FEP options map where you indicate where the options are in my example they would know the location of the 5ha so as you say the other 5ha you can manage at will.

 

[spin cycle]

so ... we'll all get a claim form early 2021 for that year.....fill/send back by may 15th.....get paid dec 2021....repeat yearly ....you'd have to make sure you claimed at least min amount required for scheme in any one year

don't forget once you've applied online you'll still have to submit any relevant supporting documents

 

[Hereward]

so ... we'll all get a claim form early 2021 for that year.....fill/send back by may 15th.....get paid dec 2021....repeat yearly ....you'd have to make sure you claimed at least min amount required for scheme in any one year

don't forget once you've applied online you'll still have to submit any relevant supporting documents

When filling it out online you have to choose how much you claim for each option from each parcel, so surely for year one they know what you're claiming?

 

[spin cycle]

When filling it out online you have to choose how much you claim for each option from each parcel, so surely for year one they know what you're claiming?

thats true .......so in your case claiming 5ha of stubble first up would limit you.....if the field had been 10 ha...then 5ha next it might work......there'll still be an annual claim form c/w with declaration to say options are in place

 

[spin cycle]

cambs fwag 01223 841507

 

[Hindsight]

When filling it out online you have to choose how much you claim for each option from each parcel, so surely for year one they know what you're claiming?

No. The scheme has an annual claim form downloaded and completed online. So for 2021 first year you will submit a claim in April/May 2021 - closing date May 15 assuming post Brexit the government retains the EU set dates and the brexiters do not change the dates slightly as they take back control - sort of daft thing Brexiters would do.

On the RPA website you will see the blue hyperlink to annual claims - it is underneath the hyperlink you must be using at the moment to apply for the scheme. That annual claim will be pre-populated with the options and fields on your application form.

The annual form allows for claimant to advise change of field fr rotational options and confirm they are still in place for no-rotational options. And amend area if for some reason a smaller area is claimed in any of the five years. Claimant cannot increase the claim area/amount for any option during the five scheme ageement.

So in your earlier post you reference 5ha AB6 in the application claim year 1. That is the maximum area which can be claimed each year - so if your second year it is placed in a 10ha field you can still only claim payment for 5ha. An irritating aspect of the scheme but understandable as Defra want to budget the scheme finances.

 

[Wheatland]

I would add as a side note that in my view AB6 is not an option I will opt for again, it’s quite restrictive and what you get left with on the first of August is a weed infested mess. You are allowed to spray glyphosate to control grass weeds after 15th May but in my view there are better options (AB15 for example)

 

[Hereward]

I would add as a side note that in my view AB6 is not an option I will opt for again, it’s quite restrictive and what you get left with on the first of August is a weed infested mess. You are allowed to spray glyphosate to control grass weeds after 15th May but in my view there are better options (AB15 for example)

Take AB15, in year one has to be established after harvest and before Sept. 15th, so in year 1 do you receive payment for it? even though it will only be in for three and a half months? Year 2 you claim for it obviously, year 3 it is moved to another parcel established between harvest and Sept. 15th, claim for it in year 4, in year 5 it has to be retained until August 15th.

So you will get 5 years of payment when in year 1 there will be nothing in the ground potentially until 15th Sept, and year 5 it can be removed on 15th August?

 

[teslacoils]

I would add as a side note that in my view AB6 is not an option I will opt for again, it’s quite restrictive and what you get left with on the first of August is a weed infested mess. You are allowed to spray glyphosate to control grass weeds after 15th May but in my view there are better options (AB15 for example)

I would completely agree with this. Its a poor choice.

 

[yellow belly]

Ab6 is probably the worst option that can be used in an arable rotation

 

[Hereward]

Just the Options Map to finish this morning...

For rotational options e.g. AB15 do I just mark on the map where the option will be in Year 1? or do I also mark where it will be in Year 3?

 

[Hindsight]

Just the Options Map to finish this morning...

For rotational options e.g. AB15 do I just mark on the map where the option will be in Year 1? or do I also mark where it will be in Year 3?

Year 1 only. Then annually you will inform them by the annual claim form. You also have the chance to change you mind on location between now submission. and May 15 when you submit your first claim form.

 

[Hereward]

Year 1 only. Then annually you will inform them by the annual claim form. You also have the chance to change you mind on location between now submission. and May 15 when you submit your first claim form.

Thank you, that makes sense

 

[dannewhouse]

I'm just thinking of getting into this, before I set a land agent on, few questions.

You get both countryside stewardship + bps?
Can I say do it for 3 years then put my areas to 0 or would I still need to meat the 3% minimum area?
When do you apply for which year, is it apply before 1/Jan/21 for year 21?

You can't include this area in EFA greening?

Mine would probably be mixed farming option but they seem very similar.

 

[farmerm]

I'm just thinking of getting into this, before I set a land agent on, few questions.

You get both countryside stewardship + bps?
Can I say do it for 3 years then put my areas to 0 or would I still need to meat the 3% minimum area?
When do you apply for which year, is it apply before 1/Jan/21 for year 21?

You can't include this area in EFA greening?

Mine would probably be mixed farming option but they seem very similar.

Yes you can have a parcel with a CSS options on it and also claim BPS. but you have missed the window for a 2021 start agreement.. I expect the application window for a Jan 2022 start date will be mid feb-31st July 2021. The govenment have dropped the EFA requirements from BPS from the end of this year so it is no longer relevant.. For land with CSS options you are expected to meet rules such as around hedgecutting regardless if you claim a payment for that parcel in a given year. There will be the option to drop a mid-tier agreement and switch to ELMS when it comes available if it looks more favorable.