Arable rent this Yr down or up

Case290

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Location
Worcestershire
Block of 130ha arable lots of little fields 4ha ect bit naff but no bps to worry about sounds good. Mostly had the back end of it ripped out Of it I expect full of bg . so guess some good covers followed by spring cropping couple of yrs. what’s the price tag going to be on that ? Every one I’ve spoken to about renting land are saying no way. But surly there be some one to take it on even if it’s free can it pay. Lots of hedge cutting and gate ways tidying up to do. Drainage ect.
 

Brisel

Member
Location
Dorset
Is anyone claiming the BPS? If so, you're going to be doing the cross compliance. Depending on the terms, they aren't eligible to claim if you have a tenancy.

£30/acre.
 

womble8350

Member
Location
York
You not trying @Brisel up here Mr broken calculator would give £120 for that easy! I have no idea how they do it but the ones giving it never seem to stop expanding.
 

Case290

Member
Location
Worcestershire
out going chap is keeping his bps to sell on. (I think )No one claiming on it
Lime / p / k is expensive.
£20 acre would be about right for the rent maybe.
 

womble8350

Member
Location
York
The landlord will be expecting you to purchase the entitlements so you can pass the payment on. So if your serious you had better budget for that. I know they maybe defunct in a year or 2 but that the gamble will you have an asset to possibly get your cash back or will they just disappea!
 

Cowcorn

Member
out going chap is keeping his bps to sell on. (I think )No one claiming on it
Lime / p / k is expensive.
£20 acre would be about right for the rent maybe.
20 quid an acre ???? Dream on . Logic goes out the window when new ground comes available. Bid a hundred if you want to give it a shot .
 

Case290

Member
Location
Worcestershire
Not much on gambling I'm afraid.
I had budgeted for it one yr left they cost what you get back. Then nothing
(((If )))) can't put ££££ much on if. I do like working for nothing tho .
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I’ve always worked on a fair rent being 1t of wheat at harvest price on eligible land

So say £130-£150 less £70-80 ? / acre as no bps leaves a rent of circa £ 60-80/ac

If you can’t make a decent profit at that then there is something very wrong with your fixed or variable cost spend (or both of those things)
 

Cowcorn

Member
I’ve always worked on a fair rent being 1t of wheat at harvest price on eligible land

So say £130-£150 less £70-80 ? / acre as no bps leaves a rent of circa £ 60-80/ac

If you can’t make a decent profit at that then there is something very wrong with your fixed or variable cost spend (or both of those things)
Going after it yourself then ?? The best horse will jump the ditch even if he breaks his neck on the far side !!
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Going after it yourself then ?? The best horse will jump the ditch even if he breaks his neck on the far side !!
I’m not really interested in renting lan, have enough to do.

Prefer working with land owners through contract farming
 

Badshot

Member
Location
Kent
Block of 130ha arable lots of little fields 4ha ect bit naff but no bps to worry about sounds good. Mostly had the back end of it ripped out Of it I expect full of bg . so guess some good covers followed by spring cropping couple of yrs. what’s the price tag going to be on that ? Every one I’ve spoken to about renting land are saying no way. But surly there be some one to take it on even if it’s free can it pay. Lots of hedge cutting and gate ways tidying up to do. Drainage ect.
No bps to worry about?


I was under the impression that you have to comply for all land under your control regardless of whether you claim a block or not.
 

Brisel

Member
Location
Dorset
No bps to worry about?


I was under the impression that you have to comply for all land under your control regardless of whether you claim a block or not.
If it's not registered to your holding, you don't have to comply though many of the rules are law anyway - they just have to take you to court and prove guilt rather than take some of your BPS away instead.
 

Brisel

Member
Location
Dorset
Once we have certainty after Brexit (?!) it would be worth looking at buying entitlements for BPS. They have always provided at least an 80% return on investment every year in the past. If values drop they will allow for the fact their claim value will drop in line with the tapering off in BPS. Where else in farming do you get that kind of return? Adds to working capital requirements though.
 

Case290

Member
Location
Worcestershire
Just had a look inn John nix
(these are facts)
Fixed costs £280 acre
Spring barley Margin £ 159 acre
Winter beans £186 acre
Wheat £302 acre

Total avarage margin £215 less costs net loss £65 per acre just point out that’s with out adding inn cover cropping.
Don’t think it’s going to work at any Level of rent value
 

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Written by Rachel Martin

NFU Cymru members and Assembly Members have been celebrating the role that Welsh farmers play in producing nutritious, high quality, safe affordable food during an event at the Senedd today on World Food Day (October 16).

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