Ash trees very late this year

[Goweresque]

As above. Some haven't even started to bud yet. Is it related to ash die back? Or the wet weather? Or is it one of the old folk tale signs of a good summer to come - oak before the ash, in for a splash?

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Are you sure they aren't dead?

 

[Goweresque]

Are you sure they aren't dead?

Hopefully they are just resting.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Everything is later this year…

 

[yoki]

"Ash before Oak, we're in for a soak"

"Oak before Ash, only a splash"

Not much in it around here.

*edit* - easy to tell the ones affected by dieback as they are much more bare and open at the top. All the wee side branches break off first so you're left with the thicker stuff pointing up on it's own. Tree types refer to it as the "dead man's fingers" look.

 

[T Hectares]

From the few remaining Ash Trees we have left I’d say the Oak is further out

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Oak way ahead of the Ash here, even allowing for dieback.
Whether that means anything.....

 

[Widgetone]

Everything is later this year…

Down south, everything is early, apple blossom 20 days earlier than last year according to RHS somewhere...
( some winter barley well in awn too )
But yes, Ash here is slow compared to Oak.

 

[David.]

Do trees actually actually have premonition?

 

[TheTallGuy]

Most Ash out and about is slow around here, but I have a potted sapling here that went through the bottom of the pot last year so I broke the main root hoping to delay planting out... blooming thing has sprouted and is gaining inches of growth almost by the day.

 

[Kidds]

Do trees actually actually have premonition?

No, they react to what has happened not what is going to happen.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

No, they react to what has happened not what is going to happen.

So a very wet time favours the oak over the Ash and a subsequent drier time is more likely?

That would make sense of the saying

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

Ash hardly out at all round here but oak's all well along.

 

[penntor]

So a very wet time favours the oak over the Ash and a subsequent drier time is more likely?

Oak is deep rooting whilst Ash tends to be shallow rooting so in a wet spell Ash can get plenty of water but in a dry spell Oak can get water from deeper down whilst Ash 's shallow roots are in dryer soil. That's how I see it but that does not explain why, after the wet time we have had since last October, Oak trees are currently in full leaf around here but Ash are not.

 

[Bury the Trash]

I think all Ash is suffering with Dieback to a lessor or greater degree, hampering its growth /vigour slowing sap rise maybe, in the lessor and killing branches in the greater.


Hornbeam will make a good easy to establish replacement if you have a gap.

 

[robs1]

I think all Ash is suffering with Dieback to a lessor or greater degree, hampering its growth /vigour slowing sap rise maybe, in the lessor and killing branches in the greater.


Hornbeam will make a good easy to establish replacement if you have a gap.

Definitely need something to replace the ash, only oaks left round here apart from willow. Does hornbeam like wet heavy ground?

 

[organicguy]

Oak is deep rooting whilst Ash tends to be shallow rooting so in a wet spell Ash can get plenty of water but in a dry spell Oak can get water from deeper down whilst Ash 's shallow roots are in dryer soil. That's how I see it but that does not explain why, after the wet time we have had since last October, Oak trees are currently in full leaf around here but Ash are not.

I assumed it was temperature related, Oak progressing faster at lower temperatures?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Definitely need something to replace the ash, only oaks left round here apart from willow. Does hornbeam like wet heavy ground?

they will like it as much as Ash does, and more so than Beech, maybe not quite so mcuh as an Oak and yes they like water .

 

[robs1]

they will like it as much as Ash does, and more so than Beech, maybe not quite so mcuh as an Oak and yes they like water .

That's good to know, want to plant a new hedge with some trees in it, as it happens I transplanted some pot grown oaks out today with some crab apples, will need some water but very little disturbance of the root ball.

 

[Bury the Trash]

That's good to know, want to plant a new hedge with some trees in it, as it happens I transplanted some pot grown oaks out today with some crab apples, will need some water but very little disturbance of the root ball.

these not on heavy ground but its not great soil either,and mor e acid than alk. all planted about 13 yrs ago
trimmed regularly

and this run left to grow up for screening

beech nearby is still struggling to break out of its buds to leaf ,which straightaway sets it on the back foot because trees best growth time is now really