autumn re-seeding

[Derrick Hughes]

That's NOT an allowed organic mix for this year.
% inclusion organic is too low

2.50 kg ORG BIRGER Perennial Ryegrass Int Tet

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The schedule is on there

 

[Sid]

2.50 kg ORG BIRGER Perennial Ryegrass Int Tet

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The schedule is on there

Not criticism but questions.
Low clover inclusion?
Quite a low seed rate as well? Timothy makes up a bit with its smaller seeds.

Oh and I haven't got a dry farm

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Not criticism but questions.
Low clover inclusion?
Quite a low seed rate as well? Timothy makes up a bit with its smaller seeds.

Oh and I haven't got a dry farm [emoji850]

I pulled the red out - that's why we don't make up a mix until we have spoken to the farmer first
we discuss with the farmer and add at mixing amount of clover etc

 

[Kevtherev]

Also with Red clover just be aware of grazing with ewes at tupping time.
Most customers use it in high protein silage mixes and it works v well.
Take care when grazing&cutting as the crown can be susceptible to damage.

 

[Great In Grass]

Easy to say, graze red.
If I bought from either of you and put the red into grazing, would you come and help drench any bloated ones?

I like an easy life, 20 years of being reliant on clovers. I will keep the red for cutting thanks.

Other input taken on board

When I said you didn't use enough red I meant red INK to disguise where your grass seed comes from!

Derrick is getting it wrong not me!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

When I said you didn't use enough red I meant red INK to disguise where your grass seed comes from!

Derrick is getting it wrong not me!

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I passed out in the bathroom last night and spit the sink with my head - low blood pressure and cramp after cycling 75 miles . Family can't believe I dont have a a mark on my head - but forgive me for not thinking clearl[emoji23]y

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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I passed out in the bathroom last night and spit the sink with my head - low blood pressure and cramp after cycling 75 miles . Family can't believe I dont have a a mark on my head - but forgive me for not thinking clearl[emoji23]y

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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I passed out in the bathroom last night and spit the sink with my head - low blood pressure and cramp after cycling 75 miles . Family can't believe I dont have a a mark on my head - but forgive me for not thinking clearl[emoji23]y

 

[Derrick Hughes]

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I passed out in the bathroom last night and spit the sink with my head - low blood pressure and cramp after cycling 75 miles . Family can't believe I dont have a a mark on my head - but forgive me for not thinking clearl[emoji23]y

 

[Great In Grass]

Organic Drought Resistant Grass Seed Mix (Acre Pack)
3.00 kg ORG HUSAR AMBA Cocksfoot
2.00 kg Base Tetraploid
3.20 kg MINTO Meadow Fescue
1.30 kg ORG RAGNER Timothy

0.40 kg ALICE White Clover
0.40 kg MERWI White Clover
0.25 kg JURA White Clover
0.30 kg CHOICE Chicory
0.25 kg Burnet
0.05 kg Yarrow
0.10 kg Sheep's Parsley
0.25 kg TONIC Plantain
12.50 kg per acre

You could play "spot the listed variety" with those grasses & clovers.

 

[jondear]

this farmer in somerset, always digs a few holes, with a spade, very frequently, here, where the soil pans, you need to know, daft not to, but, we have been caught out, very badly, with 1 field this spring, despite running the subsoiler through the obvious bits. Again, soil testing, actually tells you, what fert etc you need, not what you think you need. But, having been blessed, with poor growth all summer, sim to the previous 2, was beginning to think, it was us. Thankfully, since rain, grass has gone mental, indicating, lack of moisture, so not, all our fault.
Though, when it took over 8 weeks, for rape, or weeds, to germinate, in some patches, quite a few patches, that sort of points that way. Not over sure on the lime amounts, told we needed, and will recheck some. But, we do try hard, to get both soil, and fert, right before reseeding. But, after 3 summers, of having to buy in forage, something has to change, so we are going down the 'drought' root, and trying several different things, we were going to try some 'dry' types of PRG, base, for one, but, can't try everything, or we won't know which has worked/not. Wind, can easily stunt grass/crops, in our block of rape, feeding now, starting at the bottom of the hill 30ins high, reducing to 10/12 ins, in the middle, where it took so long to germinate, back up to 30 ins, at the top, that is on an open, south facing slope, wind dried, i presume ! So Ollie, whatever, one does, with crops, if the weather aint right, your'e knacked.

It's just lack of moisture !Look how grass has grown recently.
We had the same in July .
No blaming the wrong fertilizer or quantity because we don't use any!

 

[Great In Grass]

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I passed out in the bathroom last night and spit the sink with my head - low blood pressure and cramp after cycling 75 miles . Family can't believe I dont have a a mark on my head - but forgive me for not thinking clearl[emoji23]y

Is the sink okay?

 

[ollie989898]

Different varieties compliment one another- for instance late Perennials give you a lot of density in the bottom but are quite late - by including them in mix of earlier varieties the sward is not so open.
Selling by the Kg don't really work for us as most mixes are custom mixes to suit the specific farm after we have spoken to the farmer
The company has never been so busy - 7 mixers going flat and another two planned-
I think you will see a lot more use of these latest Tetraploid Perennials - better animal performance and they withstand drought better
Base is certainly one of the leaders being very tolerant of drought conditions
And you can't really overseed without using Tetraploids-

Exactly right.

 

[ollie989898]

Do you not up the seed rate for more challenging conditions?

I know I spread sometime double in areas that are heavier or have not grown so well previously?

Easier to do when not in a "bag and acre" thought process

I'm not the man drilling the stuff.

I was normally the one taking the soil samples beforehand so I was walking it myself. I also tended to know how the establishment would take place and what was the previous cropping etc.

Failures in my experience were down to weather or slugs. Frost heave was something I had seen and knew about. Unless people are walking their leys and know what they are looking at, a failure in grass establishment can often be put down to 'just didn't take well'. I can count the number of failures I have seen on one hand out of many thousands of acres of new leys I've sold or walked.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Is the sink okay? [emoji23][emoji23]

vasovagal syncope happened twice to me - first time went to the doctor - dont bother me now
Have a good day

 

[Sid]

I pulled the red out - that's why we don't make up a mix until we have spoken to the farmer first
we discuss with the farmer and add at mixing amount of clover etc

So were you recommending that mix or not?

Just dropping the red is not the answer IMHO

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So were you recommending that mix or not?

Just dropping the red is not the answer IMHO

I would not recommend any mix to you until I had spoken to you at length- no idea of your soil type location stock type what you want to get out of it .

We do Bespoke mixes not universal one size fits all mixes- no customer to big or to small - eg -we sent a lad a bag of grass and Turnips an Ashford farmer a mix for his back lawn a pallet of seed to a farmer in the Channel islands - mixed to their requirements

 

[som farmer]

It's just lack of moisture !Look how grass has grown recently.
We had the same in July .
No blaming the wrong fertilizer or quantity because we don't use any!

you think it's 'something' you have done wrong, when the grass stops growing ! While not sure a bout 'climate change' in general, local climate has changed, and, no doubt, will change again ! One thing is certain, you cannot beat nature, so, you have to work with it, and, that is what, perhaps belatedly, we are going to do !
The herbal leys, are only a modern uptake, on what was naturally in pastures, years ago, cocksfoot was a common grass, they went 'out of fashion', but are coming back, modernised, now. When i started muttering about cocksfoot, early summer, reaction was horror, great tufts of grass, low feed value etc, slightly different views now, just waiting for an improved version of yorkshire fog !!!!!!!
Certainly the cost of reseeding, over the last few years, is, unsustainable, to continue, this is down to leys, either fading out early, or not producing, and price, for us, of grass seed, is irrelevant, £10/15 extra per acre, is nothing, compared to what, you should get out of it, over the leys life, we buy the best mix, for our farm, we can get.
Seed treatment, is something we know little about, but, after w/cropping our h/rye, the kale seed was treated, with 'super grow', or similar, it was lucky enough, to catch some rain, and in a field sheltered from sun, and wind, but, got going very quickly, and, kept growing, so is something to ponder on !
One thing, we are going to try, is, differentiating between, cutting, and grazing, The bulk of silage, will be from h/rye, double cropped, with maize, or similar, that, should give us 30 ton/acre, pitted. Cutting leys, will give us a very high quality wrapped bale, to compensate, for the lower value bulk crop. A red clover based cutting ley, cut every 4/5 weeks, should achieve that. Lucerne, is on the horizon again ! But, in general, a mixed cut, and graze mix, isn't going to be top, of both, and with 'multi cut', wrapped, system, gives the opportunity, to take at absolute best time.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

you think it's 'something' you have done wrong, when the grass stops growing ! While not sure a bout 'climate change' in general, local climate has changed, and, no doubt, will change again ! One thing is certain, you cannot beat nature, so, you have to work with it, and, that is what, perhaps belatedly, we are going to do !
The herbal leys, are only a modern uptake, on what was naturally in pastures, years ago, cocksfoot was a common grass, they went 'out of fashion', but are coming back, modernised, now. When i started muttering about cocksfoot, early summer, reaction was horror, great tufts of grass, low feed value etc, slightly different views now, just waiting for an improved version of yorkshire fog !!!!!!!
Certainly the cost of reseeding, over the last few years, is, unsustainable, to continue, this is down to leys, either fading out early, or not producing, and price, for us, of grass seed, is irrelevant, £10/15 extra per acre, is nothing, compared to what, you should get out of it, over the leys life, we buy the best mix, for our farm, we can get.
Seed treatment, is something we know little about, but, after w/cropping our h/rye, the kale seed was treated, with 'super grow', or similar, it was lucky enough, to catch some rain, and in a field sheltered from sun, and wind, but, got going very quickly, and, kept growing, so is something to ponder on !

Some of our grass never grew until the start of tbe rain in June - but most of that was management- tack sheep on until eary April they the weather turned cold and dry - in a dry time if fertiliser has gone on in early March and you get some leaf on the grass it makes a hell of a difference then if its for silage take 4 lighter cuts so it recovers quick
I have a lot of things I'm trying out - seed options drilling methods seed treatments on my own farm - when I get the results will be happy to share them

 

[Derrick Hughes]

And just a word of warning if your seeeding now - Chickweed in West Wales at least is unbelievable atm . Field I sprayed off 3 weeks ago is covered in it and others have said the same