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[vario]

Its great how your all pointing out problems
it not so long ago when the foot and mouth out break wide spread in uk sheep were move illegally from uk to northern ireland and lorries travelling from the northern irel down south to slaughter houses all done in the dark of the night

 

[ollie989898]

so you willing to let anyone at all walk/drive thru the channel tunnel, carrying whatever they want, with nothing but a few spot check carried out in Maidstone,because hay if it good enough for one UK land border it good enough for all UK borders

Who is suggesting that?

I don't think people in the UK, NI or Eire have a problem with people moving freely across the border- it has done so for years and all parties are happy with the arrangement, being as it is, a symbol of the fruit of the peace process.

The difference between the UK and the remainder of Europe, however, is that you aren't going to get 7 million residents from Southern Ireland trying to settle in the UK.

 

[ollie989898]

so "taking back control of are borders" means all but the only land border that we have that we going to leave open for anyone/thing to cross freely. can't wait to see the ragtop's/dailyfail headline when there a terrorist attack to find that it was carried out by a french Muslim who legally crossed into Ireland, stepped freely into UK with not one person asking him a question, and goes on to do a Manchester style attack

Leave the security arrangements to us: we are good at it. The entire system of anti-terror operations are guided by intelligence alone. Border checks are hardly going to detect a terrorist given that they look like everyone else.

 

[M-J-G]

For what purpose?

No idea, it was suggested to me by someone else that it might be a VAT loophole, but I don't know if it was.
There were enough of them that the particular lorry owner had it as a fair proportion of his work.

 

[Highland Mule]

Leave the security arrangements to us: we are good at it. The entire system of anti-terror operations are guided by intelligence alone. Border checks are hardly going to detect a terrorist given that they look like everyone else.

Who is “we”? The UK hasn’t managed a land border in years, so why do you think its civil service will manage now? I take it your platitudes are from a position of ignorance, rather than any first hand experiences?

 

[czechmate]

Who is “we”? The UK hasn’t managed a land border in years, so why do you think its civil service will manage now? I take it your platitudes are from a position of ignorance, rather than any first hand experiences?

I would suggest it from blind patriotic optimism; which is kind of cute

 

[TelesnaAg]

Just sell NI.

Done...fixed for ya

Ant...

 

[jpd]

Just sell NI.

Done...fixed for ya

Ant...

how much along with ni to get donald to take it?

 

[yin ewe]

how much along with ni to get donald to take it?

He can have my place for a golf course, where do I sign?

 

[jpd]

hes welcome to the whole island

 

[czechmate]

hes welcome to the whole island

Much smaller than Greenland so I guess he has the budget

 

[jpd]

there was a time when it was said that we.d hand back the island to the queen and apologise for the state we were returning it in

 

[Sweepa]

Just sell NI.

Done...fixed for ya

Ant...

Are you serious? Or joking?

 

[Henarar]

Just sell NI.

Done...fixed for ya

Ant...

What do you think its worth

 

[M-J-G]

Who is suggesting that?

I don't think people in the UK, NI or Eire have a problem with people moving freely across the border- it has done so for years and all parties are happy with the arrangement, being as it is, a symbol of the fruit of the peace process.

The difference between the UK and the remainder of Europe, however, is that you aren't going to get 7 million residents from Southern Ireland trying to settle in the UK.

But free movement between NI and ROI with free movement across the Irish sea will make NI a back door for movement to and from Europe, which to me is not taking back control of our borders.

 

[czechmate]

What do you think its worth

More than the Don, I’ll bet

 

[rob1]

But free movement between NI and ROI with free movement across the Irish sea will make NI a back door for movement to and from Europe, which to me is not taking back control of our borders.

one thing at a time, first lets get out and free and then we can see what that issue is, if as remainers keep saying the UK is going to be an economic wilderness how many will want to come from the EU, I dont think the Irish will be allowing thousands of migrants from outside europe onto their island.
The elephant in the room for the EU is will THEY put up a border, if as many claim the UK cant have one open border and the rest closed then the same applies to the EU, reality will soon sort the issues, yes there will be some harsh words back and forth and some disruption to begin with

 

[nivilla1982]

Illegal migrants and the Irish border
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: AUGUST 23, 2019
Before we entered the EU there was a common travel area with the Republic of Ireland, and after we leave there will also be a common travel area. The checks at the border for people will be the same before and after exit. There is substantial co-operation across the border over criminals today and this will remain.
After we leave the EU it will still be possible for a person from another EU member state to get into the Republic, subject to EU controls on criminals and illegal migrants, and from there to cross into the UK in Northern Ireland. The UK system of control over migrant numbers will be exercised for the whole UK by the need for a work permit if someone wishes to get a job, by the need to establish entitlement if they want to receive a benefit, and the necessity to prove they are legal immigrants if they wish to open a bank account, rent or buy a property or get a car licence.
It is difficult to see therefore why an illegal migrant from the EU would bother to go through the tortuous journey via Dublin, only to find on arrival in the UK that their illegal status made it impossible to live a normal life or benefit from the good things that brought them to the UK.
https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/08/23/illegal-migrants-and-the-irish-border/

 

[Henarar]

My goodness a sensible view, we can't have that

 

[M-J-G]

one thing at a time, first lets get out and free and then we can see what that issue is, if as remainers keep saying the UK is going to be an economic wilderness how many will want to come from the EU, I dont think the Irish will be allowing thousands of migrants from outside europe onto their island.
The elephant in the room for the EU is will THEY put up a border, if as many claim the UK cant have one open border and the rest closed then the same applies to the EU, reality will soon sort the issues, yes there will be some harsh words back and forth and some disruption to begin with

Illegal migrants and the Irish border
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: AUGUST 23, 2019
Before we entered the EU there was a common travel area with the Republic of Ireland, and after we leave there will also be a common travel area. The checks at the border for people will be the same before and after exit. There is substantial co-operation across the border over criminals today and this will remain.
After we leave the EU it will still be possible for a person from another EU member state to get into the Republic, subject to EU controls on criminals and illegal migrants, and from there to cross into the UK in Northern Ireland. The UK system of control over migrant numbers will be exercised for the whole UK by the need for a work permit if someone wishes to get a job, by the need to establish entitlement if they want to receive a benefit, and the necessity to prove they are legal immigrants if they wish to open a bank account, rent or buy a property or get a car licence.
It is difficult to see therefore why an illegal migrant from the EU would bother to go through the tortuous journey via Dublin, only to find on arrival in the UK that their illegal status made it impossible to live a normal life or benefit from the good things that brought them to the UK.
https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/08/23/illegal-migrants-and-the-irish-border/

An exit strategy based on scaremongering of a few extremists isn't anything to base a plan on or draw assurances from, so I don't think that adopting the attitude that we'll be so poor nobody will come here is the best policy, plus even if we don't have a pot to p!$$ in we will still probably be looking after junkies and unemployed foreigners better than we treat those who work for a living.

Since Ireland and the UK joined the EU at the same time, the free movement between NI and ROI has never been at a time where such movement has been in and out of Europe, making this a new situation and making historical references pointless.

As for just doing it and see how it goes, I'm not sure if that's how a country should be run, I think a plan needs to be put in place. That way we have something to work towards rather than more aimless ideology.