backstop

[nivilla1982]

"Dissident" Republicans gripe is not that the UK is leaving the EU but rather that the UK exists in the form of Northern Ireland continued existence and also that the government of the Irish Republic exists in present form. As both are derived from legislation from Westminster.

 

[Sweepa]

America will stand over the good Friday agreement and wont allow a no deal. It looks likely that boris will have to fight Corbyn and lose to him. Vote for a 2nd ref, 2nd happens and it's a win for remain. Job done.

 

[Ncap]

America will stand over the good Friday agreement and wont allow a no deal. It looks likely that boris will have to fight Corbyn and lose to him. Vote for a 2nd ref, 2nd happens and it's a win for remain. Job done.

Thanks Sweepa - that's the most exciting and attractive forecast I have heard for three years. The drinks will be on me!

 

[Sweepa]

Thanks Sweepa - that's the most exciting and attractive forecast I have heard for three years. The drinks will be on me!

Actually, at the remain party all the drinks are paid by the EU. So drink up ?

 

[Boohoo]

America will stand over the good Friday agreement and wont allow a no deal. It looks likely that boris will have to fight Corbyn and lose to him. Vote for a 2nd ref, 2nd happens and it's a win for remain. Job done.

Please quote the part of the Belfast Agreement that would be broken by a no deal Brexit. I have read the agreement and can't find it.
Your calculator needs new batteries if you think Corbyn has the numbers to beat Boris.
There won't be a second referendum, remain would lose by a bigger margin and it wouldn't put the matter to bed because leading remainers have already said that they wouldn't respect another vote to leave.

 

[arcobob]

I thought you voted to take back control of your borders?

You keep bringing up this old chestnut but in reality we can never have full control of our borders without disproportionate expenditure on coastal patrols and building walls. What is meant by control of borders is that we have the option to exercise control where possible and appropriate without being told how to behave by outsiders.

 

[Ncap]

You keep bringing up this old chestnut but in reality we can never have full control of our borders without disproportionate expenditure on coastal patrols and building walls. What is meant by control of borders is that we have the option to exercise control where possible and appropriate without being told how to behave by outsiders.

Pssst! A word in your shell-like....
Unlike most other EU member states—and some countries outside the EU—the UK is not part of the Schengen passport-free area because it hasn’t signed the Schengen agreement. This means it can retain border controls.
But the UK does operate the Schengen Information System (SIS) which allows the UK to exchange information with Schengen countries for the purposes of cooperating on law enforcement.
The EU’s member countries, including the UK, collectively control the EU’s external borders through their own management of their national borders.
Controls at the UK border
The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.
The UK can, and does, perform passport and identity checks at its borders and refuses entry to travellers who do not travel with valid identity documents even ifthey are from another EU member state.

 

[Ncap]

Chestnut?

 

[Highland Mule]

one thing at a time, first lets get out and free and then we can see what that issue is,

So
Just take a chance and go for it and worry about the details later? Seems legit - what could possibly go wrong? Oh yes, you’ve seen Operation Yellowhammer - that’s what could go wrong.

You keep bringing up this old chestnut but in reality we can never have full control of our borders without disproportionate expenditure on coastal patrols and building walls. What is meant by control of borders is that we have the option to exercise control where possible and appropriate without being told how to behave by outsiders.

What, like we have now?

 

[Sweepa]

Please quote the part of the Belfast Agreement that would be broken by a no deal Brexit. I have read the agreement and can't find it.
Your calculator needs new batteries if you think Corbyn has the numbers to beat Boris.
There won't be a second referendum, remain would lose by a bigger margin and it wouldn't put the matter to bed because leading remainers have already said that they wouldn't respect another vote to leave.

We ain't leaving with no deal. Parliament don't want it, the people dont , eu don't, America don't. I'll eat my sock if a no deal happens.

 

[arcobob]

Pssst! A word in your shell-like....
Unlike most other EU member states—and some countries outside the EU—the UK is not part of the Schengen passport-free area because it hasn’t signed the Schengen agreement. This means it can retain border controls.
But the UK does operate the Schengen Information System (SIS) which allows the UK to exchange information with Schengen countries for the purposes of cooperating on law enforcement.
The EU’s member countries, including the UK, collectively control the EU’s external borders through their own management of their national borders.
Controls at the UK border
The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.
The UK can, and does, perform passport and identity checks at its borders and refuses entry to travellers who do not travel with valid identity documents even ifthey are from another EU member state.

And future policy of the EU is? Control means not just now but as long as we decide, not someone else. Remember the federalist agenda or do you deny that it exists? The controls that you describe do not take place at the Irish border now so following your logic why should there be a need in the future?

 

[Boohoo]

We ain't leaving with no deal. Parliament don't want it, the people dont , eu don't, America don't. I'll eat my sock if a no deal happens.

Parliament should've voted for the deal if they don't want no deal. The EU will have to move or you'll be dining on sock

 

[M-J-G]

"Dissident" Republicans gripe is not that the UK is leaving the EU but rather that the UK exists in the form of Northern Ireland continued existence and also that the government of the Irish Republic exists in present form. As both are derived from legislation from Westminster.

Who's bothered about what they think?

 

[Ncap]

And future policy of the EU is? Control means not just now but as long as we decide, not someone else. Remember the federalist agenda or do you deny that it exists? The controls that you describe do not take place at the Irish border now so following your logic why should there be a need in the future?

Ah the future agenda that YOU have access to? Where did you stumble across that one? In a charity shop in Fakenham?

 

[arcobob]

Ah the future agenda that YOU have access to? Where did you stumble across that one? In a charity shop in Fakenham?

You have been asleep for a very long time if you have not heard of it. Allegedly it is written into the treaty of Rome, you know, the bit that Heath covered up when we voted to join the EEC.

 

[Muck Spreader]

If the Brexiteers are so confident that their concept of an all encompassing electronic unicorn boarder controls are the only thing needed. Why on earth are are they objecting to the Backstop, as it will never be needed. Interestingly in France, Backstop is interpreted as "safety net" which is more logical.

 

[Highland Mule]

You have been asleep for a very long time if you have not heard of it. Allegedly it is written into the treaty of Rome, you know, the bit that Heath covered up when we voted to join the EEC.

Well, the treaty of Tome is online, so you could perhaps have a read, confirm the “allegations” you’ve heard and then come back to us and tell us where to look.

If you find a bit that says we have an absolute veto on many aspects of the future direction such as any new countries joining the EU (Turkey for instance), then you’re reading the right document. You won’t find a UK signatory in the treaty of Rome though, as we were not members back then (indeed France vetoes our membership for some time, as was their right).

I’m afraid though you’ve fallen victim to scaremongering, or perhaps “Project Fear” to give it a modern title. The talks of an EU army, Turkey joining and the likes are just that, and couldn’t happen unless the UK wanted them to. Ironically, it will be legally easier for us to join a Euro army if/ when we leave the EU than it would be if we were to remain.

 

[Henarar]

Well, the treaty of Tome is online, so you could perhaps have a read, confirm the “allegations” you’ve heard and then come back to us and tell us where to look.

If you find a bit that says we have an absolute veto on many aspects of the future direction such as any new countries joining the EU (Turkey for instance), then you’re reading the right document. You won’t find a UK signatory in the treaty of Rome though, as we were not members back then (indeed France vetoes our membership for some time, as was their right).

I’m afraid though you’ve fallen victim to scaremongering, or perhaps “Project Fear” to give it a modern title. The talks of an EU army, Turkey joining and the likes are just that, and couldn’t happen unless the UK wanted them to. Ironically, it will be legally easier for us to join a Euro army if/ when we leave the EU than it would be if we were to remain.

I don't care what veto "we" have I wouldn't trust our gov to use it or give us a say given there past performance on these type of matters
Naa feck them they had their chance

 

[Highland Mule]

I don't care what veto "we" have I wouldn't trust our gov to use it or give us a say given there past performance on these type of matters
Naa feck them they had their chance

“I don’t trust our government so I’ll give them even more power”

Right....

 

[rob1]

Well, the treaty of Tome is online, so you could perhaps have a read, confirm the “allegations” you’ve heard and then come back to us and tell us where to look.

If you find a bit that says we have an absolute veto on many aspects of the future direction such as any new countries joining the EU (Turkey for instance), then you’re reading the right document. You won’t find a UK signatory in the treaty of Rome though, as we were not members back then (indeed France vetoes our membership for some time, as was their right).

I’m afraid though you’ve fallen victim to scaremongering, or perhaps “Project Fear” to give it a modern title. The talks of an EU army, Turkey joining and the likes are just that, and couldn’t happen unless the UK wanted them to. Ironically, it will be legally easier for us to join a Euro army if/ when we leave the EU than it would be if we were to remain.

Yes all project fear, and that from the I whichh is a laugh because they are far from independant

Brussels ‘delighted’ that Merkel and Macron want to create an EU army

Jean-Claude Juncker tries to claim credit for idea

www.independent.co.uk