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BBC news - 'The richer you are the more subsidy you receive'

Farma Parma

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Northumberlandia
The more land you own the more money you can extract from the tax payer. It's just that in some cases this is done via a tenant farmer.
i cant disagree with that statement, but we only doing what we can legally do & have no choice not to claim the subs or we be long gone by now. If they would just make this a bit clearer be helpfull
 
Land is wealth. In that context the BBC report is correct.
That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.
The bbc is more right than wrong
Tenant farmers rent is three times what it would be without sub, so the landlord rich person is gaining massively, not to mention the inflated land value Caused by sfp
 

honeyend

Member
Hands up everyone who thinks it is a good idea, with everything that Joe Public has gone through over the last 6 months, for farmers to kick off about this ?
I think the word farming covers a multitude of situations, and that's the problem. The public only see the nice side of farming, not the mud, mud and more mud, the hours of isolation, problem-solving, and the hours of book work and then you are hostage to the weather for a price you hope will cover your bills.
If you are struggling the thought that someone who owns or rents 'all this' and complains about does seem ungrateful, but if farming was seen as the business it really is, perhaps there would be more sympathy.
I think farmers in general are just not very good at communicating the difficulties they have, even amongst themselves, it's seen as moaning.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.

If you don't own the land but are claiming the sub, you're doing so because that's what the owner wants though?
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
If you don't own the land but are claiming the sub, you're doing so because that's what the owner wants though?
There were court cases when sfp started where the landlords were claiming rent on the subsidy, with tenants claiming it was only for them
The landlords won of course, totally against the run of play
 

Tubbylew

Member
Location
Herefordshire
So is it just for England?
C4 news suggest Wales and Scotland will be going their own way ?
Yup, wales and scotland are sticking with bps for now. I don't think it'll be long though, they'll likely wait for more detail and assume the contrary position. I'd be suprised if bps lasts much longer on the continent tbh, theres the same problems the world over.
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
The bbc is more right than wrong
Tenant farmers rent is three times what it would be without sub, so the landlord rich person is gaining massively, not to mention the inflated land value Caused by sfp
Because the LL owns land, not because he is rich. The hypothetical LL could be mortgaged to 110% of the value of the land with not a penny to his name outside the land, but he would still get the BPS via the tenant, even though the LL had no money. It is the ownership of the land that matters.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Because the LL owns land, not because he is rich. The hypothetical LL could be mortgaged to 110% of the value of the land with not a penny to his name outside the land, but he would still get the BPS via the tenant, even though the LL had no money. It is the ownership of the land that matters.
And pigs fly too
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
I think the word farming covers a multitude of situations, and that's the problem. The public only see the nice side of farming, not the mud, mud and more mud, the hours of isolation, problem-solving, and the hours of book work and then you are hostage to the weather for a price you hope will cover your bills.
If you are struggling the thought that someone who owns or rents 'all this' and complains about does seem ungrateful, but if farming was seen as the business it really is, perhaps there would be more sympathy.
I think farmers in general are just not very good at communicating the difficulties they have, even amongst themselves, it's seen as moaning.

True but replace the word farmer for any other occupation. No matter what you do, anyone from outside or "the public" have no idea what it's really like.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
Not really, the more agricultural land you own yes the more BPS you will have received. Either directly or through it's effect on the rental value of land. But there are some extremely wealthy people who won't have received any BPS, as they don't own or occupy any land.
So the BBC statement is completely incorrect.
we could also say, that in Scotland, free prescriptions benefit the wealthy, as the poor already had free prescriptions, so free prescriptions is a subsidy for the rich, but the BBC never says anything like that!
 

Muddyroads

Member
NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
The BBC aren’t interested in factual accuracy. It’s no different to them calling a forager a combine. We know the difference, the vast majority of the public don’t know and don’t care. The whole BPS/ELMS transition is only just beginning, not that that came across on the BBC either. There will be a lot more coverage to come over the next few months and years.
 

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