BBC news - 'The richer you are the more subsidy you receive'

[glasshouse]

They didnt mention the tenants who have been evicted so that the landlord can claim the cash himself

 

[Farma Parma]

The more land you own the more money you can extract from the tax payer. It's just that in some cases this is done via a tenant farmer.

i cant disagree with that statement, but we only doing what we can legally do & have no choice not to claim the subs or we be long gone by now. If they would just make this a bit clearer be helpfull

 

[jondear]

There were some Pretty fair comments on the JV show this morn. Except Selwyn Gummer got cut off mid way through by a bad line

That was very convenient!

 

[Right-arm fast]

Land is wealth. In that context the BBC report is correct.

That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.

 

[glasshouse]

That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.

The bbc is more right than wrong
Tenant farmers rent is three times what it would be without sub, so the landlord rich person is gaining massively, not to mention the inflated land value Caused by sfp

 

[honeyend]

Hands up everyone who thinks it is a good idea, with everything that Joe Public has gone through over the last 6 months, for farmers to kick off about this ?

I think the word farming covers a multitude of situations, and that's the problem. The public only see the nice side of farming, not the mud, mud and more mud, the hours of isolation, problem-solving, and the hours of book work and then you are hostage to the weather for a price you hope will cover your bills.
If you are struggling the thought that someone who owns or rents 'all this' and complains about does seem ungrateful, but if farming was seen as the business it really is, perhaps there would be more sympathy.
I think farmers in general are just not very good at communicating the difficulties they have, even amongst themselves, it's seen as moaning.

 

[kiwi pom]

That’s right, but there are a lot of people farming and claiming subsidies who don’t own the land (or any of the farm at all) and a lot of them are not rich by any standards. That is my point on the subject of the title of the thread. You are dileberately missing the point, and the bbc seem to do it on purpose.

If you don't own the land but are claiming the sub, you're doing so because that's what the owner wants though?

 

[glasshouse]

If you don't own the land but are claiming the sub, you're doing so because that's what the owner wants though?

There were court cases when sfp started where the landlords were claiming rent on the subsidy, with tenants claiming it was only for them
The landlords won of course, totally against the run of play

 

[Right-arm fast]

If you don't own the land but are claiming the sub, you're doing so because that's what the owner wants though?

Not quite sure where this is going? ie what’s your point?

 

[B'o'B]

Rubbish

Nothing I wrote was factually incorrect. BPS has nothing to do with how rich you are and everything to do with how much land you own or occupy. You can hold masses of wealth in many assets, but if you don't own land you won't be getting any BPS.

 

[Tubbylew]

So is it just for England?
C4 news suggest Wales and Scotland will be going their own way ?

Yup, wales and scotland are sticking with bps for now. I don't think it'll be long though, they'll likely wait for more detail and assume the contrary position. I'd be suprised if bps lasts much longer on the continent tbh, theres the same problems the world over.

 

[glasshouse]

Nothing I wrote was factually incorrect. BPS has nothing to do with how rich you are and everything to do with how much land you own or occupy. You can hold masses of wealth in many assets, but if you don't own land you won't be getting any BPS.

Thats bleedin obvious

 

[B'o'B]

The bbc is more right than wrong
Tenant farmers rent is three times what it would be without sub, so the landlord rich person is gaining massively, not to mention the inflated land value Caused by sfp

Because the LL owns land, not because he is rich. The hypothetical LL could be mortgaged to 110% of the value of the land with not a penny to his name outside the land, but he would still get the BPS via the tenant, even though the LL had no money. It is the ownership of the land that matters.

 

[B'o'B]

Thats bleedin obvious

so what I wrote was that bleedin obvious even a BBC reporter should have been able to articulate it. I thought you said it was rubbish?

 

[kiwi pom]

Not quite sure where this is going? ie what’s your point?

It's still a payment for landowners, the more you own the more you get. So It doesn't sound to me like the statements that wrong?

 

[glasshouse]

Because the LL owns land, not because he is rich. The hypothetical LL could be mortgaged to 110% of the value of the land with not a penny to his name outside the land, but he would still get the BPS via the tenant, even though the LL had no money. It is the ownership of the land that matters.

And pigs fly too

 

[lloyd]

Philip Green's Arcadia goes into administration .
Who's going to sort the £350 million pension pot deficit ?
Others facing plenty of problems ,we are not alone.

 

[kiwi pom]

I think the word farming covers a multitude of situations, and that's the problem. The public only see the nice side of farming, not the mud, mud and more mud, the hours of isolation, problem-solving, and the hours of book work and then you are hostage to the weather for a price you hope will cover your bills.
If you are struggling the thought that someone who owns or rents 'all this' and complains about does seem ungrateful, but if farming was seen as the business it really is, perhaps there would be more sympathy.
I think farmers in general are just not very good at communicating the difficulties they have, even amongst themselves, it's seen as moaning.

True but replace the word farmer for any other occupation. No matter what you do, anyone from outside or "the public" have no idea what it's really like.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Not really, the more agricultural land you own yes the more BPS you will have received. Either directly or through it's effect on the rental value of land. But there are some extremely wealthy people who won't have received any BPS, as they don't own or occupy any land.
So the BBC statement is completely incorrect.

we could also say, that in Scotland, free prescriptions benefit the wealthy, as the poor already had free prescriptions, so free prescriptions is a subsidy for the rich, but the BBC never says anything like that!

 

[Muddyroads]

The BBC aren’t interested in factual accuracy. It’s no different to them calling a forager a combine. We know the difference, the vast majority of the public don’t know and don’t care. The whole BPS/ELMS transition is only just beginning, not that that came across on the BBC either. There will be a lot more coverage to come over the next few months and years.