Boris a joke

[Hindsight]

Homes became unaffordable because more than 300,000 a year were entering the UK whilst only around 100,000 new houses a year were being built so supply & demand forced up prices & rents, because of Covid & for now staycations a correction has yet to be felt but with endless new estates being built whilst fewer migrants are coming pretty soon there is very likely to be a pretty dramatic correction.
To a large extent investor landlords expecting high rents to continue are artificially keeping prices high for now but sooner or later the unavoidable laws of supply & demand WILL kick in.

Many of the East Europeans live more than one family to a house Brian. Of more importance is the increased wealth of the UK middle class such that owning more than one property is no longer the preserve of the truly wealthy but even the average family who have worked for the past forty years and paid off the first mortgage on their primary residence can borrow a bit and have saved enough to buy that holiday / second home / Buy To let.

You supply an demand will kick in - it will result in even higher rents for those who cannot afford to get started. My daughter is off down to London shortly to seek work and the flat rents have gone up £100 month since she was last their early 2020 bfore Covid.

 

[BrianV]

Many of the East Europeans live more than one family to a house Brian. Of more importance is the increased wealth of the UK middle class such that owning more than one property is no longer the preserve of the truly wealthy but even the average family who have worked for the past forty years and paid off the first mortgage on their primary residence can borrow a bit and have saved enough to buy that holiday / second home / Buy To let.

You supply an demand will kick in - it will result in even higher rents for those who cannot afford to get started. My daughter is off down to London shortly to seek work and the flat rents have gone up £100 month since she was last their early 2020 bfore Covid.

People only really buy second holiday homes in picturesque places, they rarely buy on large housing estates so in the main it only pushes up property in small areas, London which is a magnet for migrants that are still coming will always be the exception to the rule, when rents start to fall because there are more houses than there are potential tenants then things will change quickly.

 

[Hindsight]

People only really buy second holiday homes in picturesque places, they rarely buy on large housing estates so in the main it only pushes up property in small areas, London which is a magnet for migrants that are still coming will always be the exception to the rule, when rents start to fall because there are more houses than there are potential tenants then things will change quickly.

As I do not own or are paying off a mortgage on any Buy to Let houses (mistake on my part 20 years ago!) but have an interest in my children's rent then I hope you are right. But I somehow doubt it. Cheers.

 

[robs1]

→ A special message for the Conservative Party conference



TRUE TORIES WERE REMAINERS



The party may bear the same name, but Conservatives today are not the same as Conservatives of yesterday.



The party has morphed into the Brexit party by deterring or kicking out any MP or Parliamentary candidate who supports EU membership.



Or else, Tory MPs and government ministers who used to support Remain have simply transitioned into Brexiters.



Things used to be so different. The Tory party was THE party of Europe – the party that did more than any other to bring us closer to our continent.



After all:



▪ It’s because of the Conservatives that the UK applied to join the European Community in the first place.



▪ It’s because of the Conservatives that the UK eventually joined the European Community.



▪ It’s because of the Conservatives that support for Britain’s continued membership of the European Community was won by a landslide in the first referendum in 1975.



▪ It’s because of the Conservatives, under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher, that the Single Market of Europe came into existence.



▪ The Conservative government in the 2016 referendum officially supported the UK’s continued membership of the European Union.



▪ Most Conservative MPs voted for Remain in the referendum.



Since the European Community was founded in 1957, with just two exceptions, the passionate resolve of ALL past Conservative Prime Ministers was that Britain should join it and remain in it.



▪ THE EXCEPTIONS



The two exceptions are today’s Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, and his immediate predecessor, Theresa May.



Johnson and May are the only Tory Prime Ministers – indeed, the ONLY British Prime Ministers if we include Labour too – to go against membership of the European Union and the cherished Single Market of Europe.



But even Johnson and May were once pro-EU.



Theresa May campaigned for Remain and stated during the referendum, “I believe it is clearly in our national interest to remain a member of the European Union.”



And Boris Johnson promised Prime Minister, David Cameron, that he would be supporting the Remain cause and assured him that the Brexit campaign would be “crushed like a toad”.



Minutes later he announced that he was joining Vote Leave.



It seems that both Mr Johnson and Mrs May supported their careers more than the best interests of their country.



But looking back over the past six decades of the Tory party, Johnson and May are aberrations because in government, Conservatives have more traditionally championed our country’s close relations with our continent.



▪ WINSTON CHURCHILL: It was one of the Tory party’s greatest leaders, Winston Churchill, who passionately promoted the ‘Union of Europe as a whole’ and is recognised as a founder of the European Union.



When in in 1961 Conservative Prime Minister, Harold Macmillan, applied for Britain to join the European Community, Churchill wrote:



"I think that the Government are right to apply to join the European Economic Community..”



He added, "We might well play a great part in these developments to the profit of not only ourselves, but of our European friends also.”



▪ HAROLD MACMILLAN: In a pamphlet explaining to the nation why Britain had applied to join the European Community in 1961, Prime Minister Macmillan wrote:



“By negotiating for British membership of the European Economic Community and its Common Market, the present Conservative Government has taken what is perhaps the most fateful and forward looking policy decision in our peacetime history.



"We did not do so lightly. It was only after a searching study of all the facts that we came to accept this as the right and proper course.”



Mr Macmillan continued, “By joining this vigorous and expanding community and becoming one of its leading members, as I am convinced we would, this country would not only gain a new stature in Europe, but also increase its standing and influence in the councils of the world.”



▪ SIR ALEC DOUGLAS-HOME: Mr Macmillan’s successor, Sir Alec Douglas-Home, was briefly prime minister for one year from 1964. He supported Britain’s application to join the European Community. Sir Alec said:



“I have never made it a secret that I cannot see an alternative which would offer as good a prospect for this country as joining the E.E.C. [European Community].”



And he also stated, “I am acutely conscious that there are two questions which have to be asked: not only whether we should go in, but what is the prospect for Britain if we stay out. Those two questions have to be asked because, whether we are in or out, the Community goes on.”



▪ EDWARD HEATH: It was Conservative Prime Minister, Edward Heath, who joined Britain to the European Community following the backing of Parliament after 300 hours of debate



(Contrast that to the scant time given to Parliament by the Conservative government under Theresa May to debate the triggering of Article 50 and the European Withdrawal Bill.)



On the evening of 28 October 1971, Mr Heath addressed the House of Commons during the momentous debate on Britain joining the European Community. He said:



“Surely we must consider the consequences of staying out. We cannot delude ourselves that an early chance would be given us to take the decision again.



"We should be denying ourselves and succeeding generations the opportunities which are available to us in so many spheres; opportunities which we ourselves in this country have to seize.



“We should be leaving so many aspects of matters affecting our daily lives to be settled outside our own influence. That surely cannot be acceptable to us.



"We should be denying to Europe, also - let us look outside these shores for a moment - its full potential, its opportunities of developing economically and politically, maintaining its security, and securing for all its people a higher standard of prosperity.”



Mr Heath added, “..tonight when this House endorses this Motion many millions of people right across the world will rejoice that we have taken our rightful place in a truly United Europe.”



Parliament did endorse the Motion, and Britain subsequently joined the European Economic Community on 1 January 1973.



▪ MARGARET THATCHER: Two years later, in 1975, the Labour government offered the British people a referendum on whether the country should stay in the European Community.



Tory leader and future Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, strongly campaigned for the country to remain in the Community.



In a keynote speech at the time she said:



“It is not surprising that I, as Leader of the Conservative Party, should wish to give my wholehearted support to this campaign, for the Conservative Party has been pursuing the European vision almost as long as we have existed as a Party.”



Mrs Thatcher also pushed for, and made possible, the Single Market of Europe.



In September 1988 in Bruges, Prime Minister Mrs Thatcher gave a major speech about the future of Europe.



She said, “Britain does not dream of some cosy, isolated existence on the fringes of the European Community. Our destiny is in Europe, as part of the Community.”



Mrs Thatcher added, “Let Europe be a family of nations, understanding each other better, appreciating each other more, doing more together but relishing our national identity no less than our common European endeavour.”



Crucially she said in support of the Single Market, “By getting rid of barriers, by making it possible for companies to operate on a European scale, we can best compete with the United States, Japan and other new economic powers emerging in Asia and elsewhere.”



▪ JOHN MAJOR: It was former Conservative Prime Minister, John Major, who negotiated and won Parliament's backing to sign the Maastricht Treaty, that among other benefits gave us EU Citizenship rights allowing us to reside, work, study or retire across a huge expanse of our continent.



He called for Britain to be at ‘the heart of Europe’.



At the Tory Party Conference of 1992, just six months after John Major won a surprise victory in the General Election, he said to the party faithful, “I speak as one who believes Britain’s future lies with Europe.”



And Mr Major warned about Britain walking away from Europe:



“We would be breaking Britain’s future influence in Europe. We would be ending for ever our hopes of building the kind of Europe that we want.



“And we would be doing that, just when across Europe the argument is coming our way. We would be leaving European policy to the French and the Germans.



“That is not a policy for Great Britain. It would be an historic mistake. And not one your Government is going to make.”



And Mr Major crucially added, “Let us not forget why we joined the Community. It has given us jobs. New markets. New horizons.



"Nearly 60 per cent of our trade is now with our partners. It is the single most important factor in attracting a tide of Japanese and American investment to our shores, providing jobs for our people..



“But the most far-reaching, the most profound reason for working together in Europe I leave till last. It is peace.



"The peace and stability of a continent, ravaged by total war twice in this century.”



▪ DAVID CAMERON: Previous Conservative Prime Minister, David Cameron, also supported Britain's continued membership of the EU, and his government's official advice to the electorate during the Referendum was to vote for Remain.



In a keynote speech just days before the vote, Mr Cameron told the country:



“I feel so strongly that Britain should remain in Europe. Above all, it’s about our economy. It will be stronger if we stay. It will be weaker if we leave.”



▪ WHO NOW REPRESENTS REMAINERS?



→ With the Tories now more akin to being the Brexit party;



→ with the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, saying that the Remain-Leave debate “is over” and even that Labour can ‘Make Brexit Work’;



→ and with the Liberal Democrats recently rejecting a proposal for “an immediate campaign to reverse Brexit”,



who’s left to represent Remainers (now Rejoiners)?



[Sources Labour: https://www.thenational.scot/news/19613235.keir-starmer-pledges-make-brexit-work---mean/; LibDems: https://www.libdems.org.uk/eu-relationship]



And yet most people in the country think Brexit isn’t working.



A newly released YouGov poll shows that a significant majority of Britons think that Brexit is going badly, with only 18% thinking that it’s going well.



[Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/brits-think-brexit-going-badly-poll-says-amid-shortages-2021-9]



Today, more people than not think that leaving the EU was a mistake – and that’s consistently been the case for most of the past five years.



[Source: https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/]



Conservatives should remember their roots.



Isn’t it time to at least consider an exit from Brexit?



▪ Now on Twitter. If you support this post and you're on Twitter, please retweet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1444706080752340994

▪ TO SHARE THIS POST: Use the Facebook SHARE BUTTON (preferred) usually located at the bottom of the post, or if it’s missing, copy the URL link for the post and paste it onto your timeline:

https://www.facebook.com/JonDanzigWrites/posts/402762451419807

▪ Report and graphic by Jon Danzig



▪ Jon Danzig is an independent campaigning journalist and film maker who specialises in writing about health, human rights, and Europe. He is also founder of the information campaign, Reasons2Rejoin

Hilarious.
Even the last paragraph about the writer being independent, oh and he is a founder of the reasons2 rejoin campaign, how is that independent?
If you asked the whole uk population if they want close economic ties with European countries I'm sure there would be a very large majority that would agree with it, that is what all hose quoted except john major( remember him the PM who promised us a vote on maastricht,? )promoted, that is what we joined in 73 ie a trading block, MT was an architect of the free market she would have never agreed to formation of the united states of europe. The whole article is a spin fest and twisting off facts and opinions of those long dead .
You have to laugh at remainers who claim leave voters were the thick and uneducated yet swallow the arguments put up by this article and similar ones, I bet they still believe there are no plans for an EU army etc, how many times has this been called leave scare tactics ? The saying fool me once shame on me fool me twice shame on you comes to mind.
We had a chance to stop a US of E and thank goodness we took it.
Looks like Poland are having second thoughts.

 

[Lowland1]

As I do not own or are paying off a mortgage on any Buy to Let houses (mistake on my part 20 years ago!) but have an interest in my children's rent then I hope you are right. But I somehow doubt it. Cheers.

Buy to let. The ultimate in capitalism. It allows anyone with a bit of capital to be a Landlord and an oppressor of the working person. Personally i’d nationalise all buy to lets.

 

[Exfarmer]

And the birthrate has fallen off a cliff since 2009, with family homes only affordable if you dont have a family!!!

Actually look at birthrate 2000, that is where the problem is, and now 2020’s we are building problems for the 2040’s
They are oddly identical.

 

[Hindsight]

By the way folks a senior government minister this morning advised folk wear sweaters this winter. Good sound advice for the fifth largest economy in the world. I do have a couple of slightly soiled Fair Isle sweaters and thermal underwear for sale on ebay - this morning I increased the price as I can see the demand setting off quite soon, especially as Vlad Putin has the worlds supply of thermal underwear all bought up and is going to starve the market. Great fun.

 

[Exfarmer]

I don’t think it’s quite just that. I was growing courgettes, leeks and pumpkins and I witnessed the change myself, at the beginning it was a pleasure to work with young locals, students doing holiday jobs for example. But it just became depressing being around their attitude- “oh, this is boring”, “this makes my back ache”, “it’s too cold”, “it’s too hot”, and my favourite “there must be a machine to do this”

When I was at Shutts in the very early 70. Set in the middle of Bedfordshire right in the heart then of Brussel sprout country the locals were predicting the imminent demise of the crop. This was because the pickers were nearly all Italian ex POW’s who had stayed on to work in the local brickyards. An arrangement which worked well as the Brickyards reduced output in the winter as outdoor building slowed right up.
The industry though changed to automation with single cropping varieties allowing sprout harvesters to take over .
Sham that as I hate the things

 

[Courier]

Former Tesco boss Dave Lewis to advise on supply chain crisis

The government has hired Dave Lewis to help it fix problems that led to petrol and other shortages.

www.bbc.co.uk

When cabbage and pork is non existent in the shops. They'll have to get off their arses and work.

But they won’t, because they will be learning to drive buses and bin wagons…to replace the drivers who have moved on the take advantage of the highwayman rates offered by Tesco etc.

 

[bobk]

When I was at Shutts in the very early 70. Set in the middle of Bedfordshire right in the heart then of Brussel sprout country the locals were predicting the imminent demise of the crop. This was because the pickers were nearly all Italian ex POW’s who had stayed on to work in the local brickyards. An arrangement which worked well as the Brickyards reduced output in the winter as outdoor building slowed right up.
The industry though changed to automation with single cropping varieties allowing sprout harvesters to take over .
Sham that as I hate the things

I love brussel sprouts , fine cuisine

 

[Hindsight]

Buy to let. The ultimate in capitalism. It allows anyone with a bit of capital to be a Landlord and an oppressor of the working person. Personally i’d nationalise all buy to lets.

An interesting reply. But I suggest it is the ultimate extension of Thatcherism. The issue I have with the Conservative Party is linked to Thatcher in the 1980s when she (small Grantham thinking - its what you get form a Lincolnshire Grammar School) introduced right to buy - to in effect drive the effect you 'despise' but egged it on by removing the money from the local authorities and preventing in effect the replacement of the social housing stock. When one looks back the Thatcher government was such a Gerrymandering bunch - absolutely determined to destroy the socialist bastions of Labour Politics in Local government. A debate for another day.

 

[Hindsight]

I love brussel sprouts , fine cuisine

The breeders did superb work in the 1980s removing the awful taste. Sprouts now are superb. Lightly steamed or fried.

 

[glasshouse]

I love brussel sprouts , fine cuisine

Especially cold
I enjoy cold xmas dinner probably more.

 

[glasshouse]

Homes became unaffordable because more than 300,000 a year were entering the UK whilst only around 100,000 new houses a year were being built so supply & demand forced up prices & rents, because of Covid & for now staycations a correction has yet to be felt but with endless new estates being built whilst fewer migrants are coming pretty soon there is very likely to be a pretty dramatic correction.
To a large extent investor landlords expecting high rents to continue are artificially keeping prices high for now but sooner or later the unavoidable laws of supply & demand WILL kick in.

Homes became unaffordable because its unregulated. Rents should be controlled as in other countries, and tenants should have security.

 

[Muck Spreader]

5.5 million stayed , so it can't be that bad , maybe not good enough for bitter ex pats though , the one's we're missing are the students and that's because of covid

How do you know 5,5 million stayed? All you know is around 5-6 million applied for residency, but we do know some of those had to apply multiple times and around 140,000 have been refused and possibly around 1.25 million returned home at the start of the pandemic. The UK's Achilles heel, no id card system. So no clue as to who is in the country once they are in.

 

[robs1]

How do you know 5,5 million stayed? All you know is around 5-6 million applied for residency, but we do know some of those had to apply multiple times and around 140,000 have been refused and possibly around 1.25 million returned home at the start of the pandemic. The UK's Achilles heel, no id card system. So no clue as to who is in the country once they are in.

Of course they know who is here legally, every time you go through passport control its recorded, now illegals that is different.
How do you know 1.25 returned home, is it because the bbc told you just the same as they keep telling us supermarket shelves are empty ? I dont go in to them that often but I've not seen any with no food, maybe the odd item not in stock but that has always happened, nice weekend pops no burgers, buns or beer now its put down as brexit

 

[BrianV]

Homes became unaffordable because its unregulated. Rents should be controlled as in other countries, and tenants should have security.

With security also comes responsibility, if they are so secure why would they look after the place & keep up to date with the rent when there are so many other things they can spend their money on, it works both ways rental control is a fine thing as long as tenants are held personally responsible for that rent & any damage they cause with appropriate punishment when needed, none of this walking away just to do the same to the next poor sod they catch!

 

[Hindsight]

How do you know 5,5 million stayed? All you know is around 5-6 million applied for residency, but we do know some of those had to apply multiple times and around 140,000 have been refused and possibly around 1.25 million returned home at the start of the pandemic. The UK's Achilles heel, no id card system. So no clue as to who is in the country once they are in.

I commented on Times Online in response to a similar post that the delicious irony is these EU nationals with settled status can slip seamlessly between UK and their EU national state while us Brits are trapped in the UK with freedom removed. How many of the 5.5 million are here is a moot point and one beng debated around the Fens as we struggle for casual labour for potato graders. Anecdotally gangmaters say quite a few left during Covid and have not returned but still have their settled status as back up. Not sure how it all works so this bit of gossip may be incorrect.

 

[Highland Mule]

I dont go in to them that often but I've not seen any with no food, maybe the odd item not in stock but that has always happened

Got to pick up on this - the number of empty shelves and missing lines is at a level way beyond I’ve ever seen before in my lifetime. This is not normal.

 

[fudge]

Of course they know who is here legally, every time you go through passport control its recorded, now illegals that is different.
How do you know 1.25 returned home, is it because the bbc told you just the same as they keep telling us supermarket shelves are empty ? I dont go in to them that often but I've not seen any with no food, maybe the odd item not in stock but that has always happened, nice weekend pops no burgers, buns or beer now its put down as brexit

Who is the “they” you refer to? The Home Office? Head counting tells you nothing about the economic importance of the person coming or going. I doubt Patel and Johnson have a clue how many nurses, care workers, lorry drivers, butchers or candlestick makers have left the country. Why would they? It’s part of a carefully constructed f**k business policy.