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jendan

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Indeed; and peace and prosperity is all we ever wanted- goal achieved. So why push further, to the point of alienating member states? That is the issue; well for me anyway.
It would be up to countries like us,staying INSIDE the EU,to say enough is enough,thats it. We cant do it from outside.
 
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arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Indeed; and peace and prosperity is all we ever wanted- goal achieved. So why push further, to the point of alienating member states? That is the issue; well for me anyway.
Overall the economic prosperity and stability of the EU is in a parlous state. That situation is a major threat to stability of any kind and many see the greater integration of monetary and fiscal policy is the only solution. They may be right, but if we stay in we will join the Eurozone and adopt their fiscal policy. In other words we will lose even more control. You remainers are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the status quo is even a remote possibility. You are clearly in favour of a united states of Europe.
 
Overall the economic prosperity and stability of the EU is in a parlous state. That situation is a major threat to stability of any kind and many see the greater integration of monetary and fiscal policy is the only solution. They may be right, but if we stay in we will join the Eurozone and adopt their fiscal policy. In other words we will lose even more control. You remainers are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the status quo is even a remote possibility. You are clearly in favour of a united states of Europe.
I voted leave by the way. Admittedly though, I’ve always thought it was a no win situation.
 

jendan

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If you really mean your opening remark then you are a Leaver. You cannot speak for the other 16m+ people who voted Remain. If things are left as they are then ever closer union will occur, it is unstoppable because it at the very heart of the whole purpose of having an EU. Your last sentence is laughable. Paying into the EU for evermore is not "the best deal going". It is the best deal the UK can have with the EU, but it most certainly is not "the best deal going".

I know @rob1 has already referred to it, and I have not needed to post the following since Tuesday:



Nothing has changed, the ever closer union of the members of the EU has in fact become a lot closer since 1957. The introduction of the € changed things for ever for those who took it up. A major move. Countries no longer have their own currency.



We already know. See immediately above.

No member can get out of ever closer union. No member can leave now unless all the others agree - a nice friendly sort of arrangement some think.
"The best deal going"..........You have written,or rather have agreed with me that what we have now is "the best deal the UK can have with the EU". You go on to say that it is "not the best deal going" obviously referring to possible future trade deals with the rest of the world.At the moment we are doing this as part of a large trading group with considerable clout.They take years to negotiate,thats if they are any good for both parties.Again,read up on the WTO.It is very much "dog eat dog". A useful analogy would be that at present,our negotiations within the EU,or later outside but with them, is fighting with boxing gloves on.WTO is a bare knuckle fist fight!
 
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jendan

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Overall the economic prosperity and stability of the EU is in a parlous state. That situation is a major threat to stability of any kind and many see the greater integration of monetary and fiscal policy is the only solution. They may be right, but if we stay in we will join the Eurozone and adopt their fiscal policy. In other words we will lose even more control. You remainers are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the status quo is even a remote possibility. You are clearly in favour of a united states of Europe.
Another load of absolute tosh! No EU members have to join the Euro if they do not wish to! No remainers anywhere has ever stated they want some kind of united states of Europe! Purely a term spouted by Bexiters.
 

Henarar

Member
Be interesting to see what the eu is in 10 or 20 years and if anyone other that the government had a say in any changes,
History tells me that the people will get no real say
In or out it will be interesting as to who will have to eat their words
 

Muck Spreader

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Location
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He got concessions but got slated by a very negative press.Mostly the Mail,Express,Telegraph,and Spectator.All owned and editorial slanted by wealthy Brexit money men.
It was difficult to know what major concessions were left for the EU to have offered Cameron. And everything that Cameron asked for was agreed after negotiation by the EU.
 

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
Another load of absolute tosh! No EU members have to join the Euro if they do not wish to! No remainers anywhere has ever stated they want some kind of united states of Europe! Purely a term spouted by Bexiters.
Your level of optimism is unfounded.
 

Raider112

Member
"The best deal going"..........You have written,or rather have agreed with me that what we have now is "the best deal the UK can have with the EU". You go on to say that it is "not the best deal going" obviously referring to possible future trade deals with the rest of the world.At the moment we are doing this as part of a large trading group with considerable clout.They take years to negotiate,thats if they are any good for both parties.Again,read up on the WTO.It is very much "dog eat dog". A useful analogy would be that at present,our negotiations within the EU,or later outside but with them, is fighting with boxing gloves on.WTO is a bare knuckle fist fight!
Being part of a large trading group with considerable clout is a good idea, it's what we voted to join 40 years ago. The problem we have now is that members are tied to a system where they have little say in the direction they are being taken and a large number of us don't like it, unfortunately our own bunch of incompetents who we would rather were making decisions on our behalf show no desire to take on the task they were elected to do.
 
Overall the economic prosperity and stability of the EU is in a parlous state. That situation is a major threat to stability of any kind and many see the greater integration of monetary and fiscal policy is the only solution. They may be right, but if we stay in we will join the Eurozone and adopt their fiscal policy. In other words we will lose even more control. You remainers are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the status quo is even a remote possibility. You are clearly in favour of a united states of Europe.
No you will not join the € IF you revoke but if you want to rejoin after leaving you will
 

rob1

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Location
wiltshire
No you will not join the € IF you revoke but if you want to rejoin after leaving you will
If you believe that then you will be seriously disappointed, we very nearly joined when Blair was PM, dont remember any suggestion the voters were going to be asked our opinion, why will it be different next time, do you really think the EU fans in westminster will EVER give us a chance to stop their dreams again
 
If you believe that then you will be seriously disappointed, we very nearly joined when Blair was PM, dont remember any suggestion the voters were going to be asked our opinion, why will it be different next time, do you really think the EU fans in westminster will EVER give us a chance to stop their dreams again
You will NOT have to join.
IF your government want to, then that is different.
 

Henarar

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Do you think that a majority of UK voters would agree with that decision ?
this is the problem our government get a say on these changes but the people don't and its been going on for decades and would have continued to happen had we voted to remain, this is what caused the brexit vote it didn't just happen cos someone painted something on a bus or the leave campaign it had been growing for years and years, those that were not happy with where the EU had gone or where it looked like going took the only chance they had had or were likely to get to vote against or membership of the EU
Had our own successive governments given voters a say on changes as they happened and taken the UK people with them on our changing relationship with the EU then there would have been no need for an in/out ref
 

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