Brexit - It's Being Killed Off

[arcobob]

What did you have in the seventies? The plebs in the colonies had figured you out and showed you the door. The two century transfer of wealth from them to London had stopped. You were a washed up, bankrupt, decrepit ex prize fighter, down on your luck and looking around for a bed for the night. The EEC showed up just before the IMF wrote a charge on the remains of the economy.
Luckily for the Toffs of the day, social media hadn’t yet been invented. If it had, there might well have been plumes of smoke over Westminster!

The colonies had mainly long gone by the seventies. One of the last remaining, Rhodesia had been self governing since 1923 and gained full independence in 1965. They made a big success of it as we all know. I am not sure ROI did much better in the early years.

 

[Hindsight]

The latest weirdness from the EU

I am still aiming to keep neutral on this whole affair - remain / leave - but bit rich of some Brussels PR person. Hey ho.

 

[ollie989898]

The latest weirdness from the EU

Trying to sell their 'brand'.

The EU are hell bent on one single superstate. They are a bunch of socialist idiots who think that Europe should be like the Holy Roman empire, they've got their fag packets out, worked out their total GDP and think that Europe is big enough to have it's own playground, swimming pool and car park and fudge anyone else. Only half of Europe is in fact bankrupt or close to it and their politics are beginning to upset the average German who is now going to be left paying for it.

We are better off out of it. The EU is anti-competitive, a circus of protectionism for stick in the mud French industry and a means of giving the Germans a nice export bump because their currency is perpetually weak, held in check by the PIGS.

The more they try to shoehorn the average citizen of Europe into one nationality and culture, the more they will find people resent it. Civil wars begin that way. The people will rise up and it will be the surest way for Europe to go up in flames.

I am completely mind boggled as to why any of the French or other contingents here cannot see this and are so vehemently pro EU, can't they see the long term designs of the EU government?

 

[arcobob]

The latest weirdness from the EU

I think this is a wind up for people on both sides of the divide

 

[wasted years]

The only problem with forcing countries and their people into an ever closer alliance for the sake of fulfilling the ideological dreams of a few opportunists is that they soon smell a rat and try to back off. The net is closing and the cracks are appearing. This is our last chance to break free and we must grasp it. Some of the others would like to but their position is not strong enough and they may be swallowed up in the dreaded federal state with no influence over their own affairs.

Would many people on here disagree with the notion that the UK diverging from the EU's rules is unlikely.
At the moment the softest of soft brexit's is by far the most likely outcome IMO which is why the hard brexit Tory MP's are still as shouty as before the referendum.
Frankly as things stand we may well leave the EU , but we will forever shadow it, either less or more but never far away.
That is how it looks to me anyhow.

 

[arcobob]

Would many people on here disagree with the notion that the UK diverging from the EU's rules is unlikely.
At the moment the softest of soft brexit's is by far the most likely outcome IMO which is why the hard brexit Tory MP's are still as shouty as before the referendum.
Frankly as things stand we may well leave the EU , but we will forever shadow it, either less or more but never far away.
That is how it looks to me anyhow.

I would agree with you but to accept completely the EU control over our affairs for ever more without being allowed consultation is asking for dirty tricks to be heaped upon us. I honestly believe that they would do it.

 

[Ashtree]

Would many people on here disagree with the notion that the UK diverging from the EU's rules is unlikely.
At the moment the softest of soft brexit's is by far the most likely outcome IMO which is why the hard brexit Tory MP's are still as shouty as before the referendum.
Frankly as things stand we may well leave the EU , but we will forever shadow it, either less or more but never far away.
That is how it looks to me anyhow.

Remind me again, of the latest nursery rhyme type catch phrase TM came out with after she spent two days, trying in vain to teach her cabinet the first six letters of the alphabet!
She is after all the maestro of come all ‘ye catch phrases. Remember the best ones so far, “Brexit means Brexit”, “Out means Out”, “Strong and Stable”
The latest nursery rhyme takes the buscuit completely though. It’s pure class in fact.
It’s called AMD .... AMBITIOUS MANAGED DIVERGENCE ...
Prime Minister Corbyn has another way of saying the same thing. Much more direct. It’s called “let’s all stay in the customs union”!

 

[RobFZS]

Would many people on here disagree with the notion that the UK diverging from the EU's rules is unlikely.
At the moment the softest of soft brexit's is by far the most likely outcome IMO which is why the hard brexit Tory MP's are still as shouty as before the referendum.
Frankly as things stand we may well leave the EU , but we will forever shadow it, either less or more but never far away.
That is how it looks to me anyhow.

The day we leave the EU, is the day we start to diverge from their rules, no matter how close we are to them.

EFTA would square the circle, but the remainers such as Anna Soubry dont want this by remaining in a customs union, a the hard leavers just want to get away at any cost because the later use any excuse possible to bind us to the Eu, like they have done for the last 40 years.

 

[Henarar]

Remind me again, of the latest nursery rhyme type catch phrase TM came out with after she spent two days, trying in vain to teach her cabinet the first six letters of the alphabet!
She is after all the maestro of come all ‘ye catch phrases. Remember the best ones so far, “Brexit means Brexit”, “Out means Out”, “Strong and Stable”
The latest nursery rhyme takes the buscuit completely though. It’s pure class in fact.
It’s called AMD .... AMBITIOUS MANAGED DIVERGENCE ...
Prime Minister Corbyn has another way of saying the same thing. Much more direct. It’s called “let’s all stay in the customs union”!

you really are rather silly

 

[wanton dwarf]

The day we leave the EU, is the day we start to diverge from their rules, no matter how close we are to them.

EFTA would square the circle, but the remainers such as Anna Soubry dont want this by remaining in a customs union, a the hard leavers just want to get away at any cost because the later use any excuse possible to bind us to the Eu, like they have done for the last 40 years.

Conservative Home survey of members.

EFTA & EEA was mentioned ..

https://www.conservativehome.com/th...y-against-a-swiss-model-is-less-emphatic.html

 

[Ashtree]

And so the Eurocrats have come out tonight with the legal text of the December agreement with TM regarding N Ireland border!!!
DUP should be getting a tad excited I imagine..

 

[RobFZS]

Interesting talk from Brussels, If push comes to shove, the Irish are just going to have to suck it up and have border apparatus if a deal cannot be made in time, the 26 will stick with them for only soo long before something has to happen, depends who cracks first.

 

[phillipe]

Italian elections soon ,might makes a small difference

 

[RobFZS]

Conservative Home survey of members.

EFTA & EEA was mentioned ..

https://www.conservativehome.com/th...y-against-a-swiss-model-is-less-emphatic.html

I really dont get what the issue is with joining EFTA, a separate court to separate us from the ECJ, ability to strike trade deals, what more could you want from brexit?

 

[RobFZS]

Italian elections soon ,might makes a small difference

probably hung parliament and then forgotten about, ever since the 5 star movement split with Beppe , it's gone in a different direction.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Italian elections soon ,might makes a small difference

Could well do.

Is there any news on Germany & Merkel ?

 

[Muck Spreader]

I really dont get what the issue is with joining EFTA, a separate court to separate us from the ECJ, ability to strike trade deals, what more could you want from brexit?

You mean rejoining the UK's previous failed attempt to make a rival to the EEC, back to the 60's and all that.
Joking aside it maybe the best of a bad job. People and businesses will at least know where they stand and can start to make plans..

 

[Ashtree]

Interesting talk from Brussels, If push comes to shove, the Irish are just going to have to suck it up and have border apparatus if a deal cannot be made in time, the 26 will stick with them for only soo long before something has to happen, depends who cracks first.

The core remain group, plus the soft leave group plus the strategic customs union shift by de facto PM Jeremy Corbyn, means this Parliament cannot deliver any Brexit of any kind. TM will go. There will be an election. The defining element of that election will be Brexit with continuation of CU OR Brexit with clean break. People will get to vote on the type of Brexit they want and finally the matter will be settled.
JC for No 10 in my opinion. Mogger’s star will have risen and fallen. Yesterday’s nobody!

 

[turbo]

The core remain group, plus the soft leave group plus the strategic customs union shift by de facto PM Jeremy Corbyn, means this Parliament cannot deliver any Brexit of any kind. TM will go. There will be an election. The defining element of that election will be Brexit with continuation of CU OR Brexit with clean break. People will get to vote on the type of Brexit they want and finally the matter will be settled.
JC for No 10 in my opinion. Mogger’s star will have risen and fallen. Yesterday’s nobody!

The matter was settled in the referendum,your just wishful thinking for your own sake

 

[nivilla1982]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-brexit-plan-hasnt-12093689
jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan hasn't gone down well in Labour's heartlands