Brexit...there are far worse possibilities

[turbo]

If we did have to vote in 4 years time, then we'd be in much worse shape than now, see posts above. No point having a vote unless the status quo is on it and we can (just about) pick up where we left off IMO.

If you think that you would be in for one hell of a shock,once article 50 is stopped they would shaft us good and proper

 

[Woolless]

If you think that you would be in for one hell of a shock,once article 50 is stopped they would shaft us good and proper

I would admit that possibility concerns me. But how would they do that legally? Again, no good outcome now IMO.

 

[turbo]

I would admit that possibility concerns me. But how would they do that legally? Again, no good outcome now IMO.

We have to forge our own road from now on,there is no other way I am afraid,for better or worse we have to leave in March and our MPs will have to start working for the money they get paid

 

[ollie989898]

I think remainers, MPs, 'experts', Mark Carney, the EU, the CBI, AirBus, the chief of Volkswagen etc etc etc and any other commentators need reminding of the fact:

We VOTED OUT.

We are NOT remotely interested in ANY of the 'potential drawbacks', or 'could be damaging to UK interests' or 'could put deals/companies/banks/the weather in jeopardy.

We are not interested in that, we didn't listen to your propaganda when we voted and we aren't interested in it now. A lot of the doomsaying has proven false or simply not happened, either, and the former Chief of the B of E just gave an interview completely contradicting any of the government's official spiel.

If the government of the day is unwilling or unable to remove this country from the EU then we must have an election and find a government that will. It is that simple.

We are not interested in the wants and needs of politicians, of any colour or background, most of them have never had a real job and if they did it still gives them sod all grasp of the realities of Brexit anyway. The CBI was wrong about the result of the vote and no one gives a stuff about Nissan or AirBus or anyone else because companies don't vote.

The British are sick and fed up of half wit politicians and 'experts' who do not have any more clue than anyone else about what will happen, and furthermore are not living in the same world, do not see or have to live with the hardships caused by EU membership, and these are very real for many I can assure you.

Don't be surprised if no one gives a fudge you might lose your BPS money, and in all honesty, do you blame them? People are living with austerity, companies blatantly taking the pish in low income employment sectors and in all actuality, a reduction in the number of migrant workers entering the UK would cause real and sustained wage inflation in those areas, not to mention the savings from not handing the EU millions of pounds each week whilst folk are stuck living out of food banks. Oh you think Brexit would threaten sales of Land Rovers abroad or stop German car makers from having such ripe access to the UK consumer? If you honestly believe those kinds of issues register for even a nanosecond in the minds of Joe Public living and working in places the likes of which very few of us on here have ever had the misfortune to find ourselves in, you are I think sadly mistaken.

But no no, carry on, you are right and they are wrong, what can the proletariat possibly know about anything? You ignore these people at your peril, Teresa May did and look what happened to her on election night and I predict it will happen multiple times across Europe in the coming years. Years of austerity and now the UK is about to stop paying the old bar bill, Junker can't keep fleecing Uncle Heinz for yet more and as Macron has just learned I don't think the French are quite as keen on ever closer union as he thinks, either.

 

[rob1]

Why do you think that? Being asked their opinion again when we are much better informed as to what is involved and sentiment appears to be moving away from the original result.

Why are we better informed, most of what we told would happen the day after the vote didnt and as we havent left yet nothing is any clearer

The way Europe has treated brexit has just reinforced the need to be out.

I know a few remain voters who would vote leave now if its a second vote.

IIRC the rules have now changed no country can leave unless the others now agree so if we withdraw art 50 we are tied into the single currency/tax harmonisation and eu army, if we have another vote leave has far more powerful arguements than last time as remain denied most of these things were on the agenda, whereas project fear has shown to be wrong so far

 

[le bon paysan]

No mushroom munching, you mis-read my post

"If we were out and negotiating in, the situation would be the same."

If we were negotiating joining the EU , the Europhiles would be just as split as what the arrangements should be. The truth is that if we were not already a member, you would not get a majority to vote to join.
It is quite incredible that the main criticism of the current deal is that the UK has no way of unilaterally leaving the backstop agreement.
With the recent rule changes, no country has the unilateral right to leave the EU.

If we can revoke article 5?, and simply carry on as nothing had happened that would make our options clearer although this itself isn't certain.

European court of justice says it can be withdrawn, unilaterally by the UK.
We would carry on as before.

 

[le bon paysan]

If you think that you would be in for one hell of a shock,once article 50 is stopped they would shaft us good and proper

Could you explain HOW they would shaft us? Bearing in mind we would carry on as before, with all the advantages we had that others didn't.

 

[Still Farming]

We are going out what ever .
No going back , Brussels has stated.

 

[renewablejohn]

European court of justice says it can be withdrawn, unilaterally by the UK.
We would carry on as before.

Only initial thought by the European court they still have to decide whether it can be veto by any of the EU27.

 

[Hindsight]

Why do you think that? Being asked their opinion again when we are much better informed as to what is involved and sentiment appears to be moving away from the original result.

To use and misquote the words of Mandy Rice Davies 'you would say that wouldn't you'

 

[wanton dwarf]

Could you explain HOW they would shaft us? Bearing in mind we would carry on as before, with all the advantages we had that others didn't.

Who the hell would trust a Remainer ?

Who the hell would trust the EU ?

Who the hell would trust Theresa May the traitor.

YOU may well like what's been done .. but there are a LOT of people who want revenge.

FK the ECJ.

 

[le bon paysan]

We are going out what ever .
No going back , Brussels has stated.

That is not true.
Don't confuse withdrawing Article 50 with going back to change this deal.

 

[le bon paysan]

Who the hell would trust a Remainer ?

Who the hell would trust the EU ?

Who the hell would trust Theresa May the traitor.

YOU may well like what's been done .. but there are a LOT of people who want revenge.

FK the ECJ.

You haven't answered 1 question.

 

[Still Farming]

That is not true.
Don't confuse withdrawing Article 50 with going back to change this deal.

Was true with top Political Correspondents on the TV earlier on .

 

[le bon paysan]

Was true with top Political Correspondents on the TV earlier on .

They were talking about changing this deal!
That is what the EU say is not possible.

 

[wanton dwarf]

You haven't answered 1 question.

I have answered every question.

What is the point in any remainer politician even speaking ? or the EU ? or Theresa May ?

I may as well go out and listen to a cow farting .. at least there is a reason for the fart unlike Theresa May.

 

[Still Farming]

They were talking about changing this deal!
That is what the EU say is not possible.

And the Clock ticking When we ARE leaving.

 

[le bon paysan]

I have answered every question.

What is the point in any remainer politician even speaking ? or the EU ? or Theresa May ?

I may as well go out and listen to a cow farting .. at least there is a reason for the fart unlike Theresa May.

No you haven't! Re read my post.
Tell me how?

 

[le bon paysan]

And the Clock ticking When we ARE leaving.

Headline in the Telegraph, EU offers to delay March 29 Brexit date.
Presumably to allow the UK to remove its head from its arse!
On the review of the papers

 

[Danllan]

I fail to understand how anyone could negotiate a better deal?
I suggest you go to a Bentley dealership and try and buy one for below the list price, when there is a long waiting list.
it is just the same as telling Mr Tesco that I will not sell them any potatoes for less than £200 per tonne or milk at less than 30p a litre.
They laugh in your face.
They have 52 cards in their hand and TM is holding the jokers.

Well, you would say that, wouldn't you? Playing up the EU and down the UK, I disagree entirely regarding the EU having a stronger hand; they did have an insider over here though. But, then, you don't think any leaving of the EU is better, so how could you be expected to admit that any deal was any good?

I have attended many a sporting event in my time. And from the stands have never missed a goal, dropped a catch or failed with a tackle. I have shouted much abuse from the stands! But fortunately have never been dragged or offered from the stands the opportunity to have a go myself! Hey ho. Cheers.

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