Brexit ! What does this mean for us & you the farmers ?

[wanton dwarf]

Up until recently I was sure that there would be no trade agreement with the EU. I now think the EU is steering the UK into agreeing some form of last minute Norway option. This would effectively still tie the UK into most of the rules, regs and funding of Europe but remove us entirely from the decision making process. This would be a highly satisfactory outcome for the European federalists.

People would continue voting to the right untl we got a nationalist government if that happened

Freedom of movement is not acceptable

Freedom of movement exists ONLY because EU countries no longer have seperate currencies, whereas before the Euro a country could lower it's exchange rate to compete today they cannot and it just generates unemployment

The unemployed need to move to where the work is - not everyone is willing to abandon their culture & heritage just for a job provided by the greedy - which is mainly Germany & UK . But the UK doesnt need freedom of movement because it has it's own currency

In essence it's domination of Europe by Germany at the expense of everyone else, I'm surprised you haven't worked that out yet

 

[czechmate]

People would continue voting to the right untl we got a nationalist government if that happened

Freedom of movement is not acceptable

Freedom of movement exists ONLY because EU countries no longer have seperate currencies, whereas before the Euro a country could lower it's exchange rate to compete today they cannot and it just generates unemployment

The unemployed need to move to where the work is - not everyone is willing to abandon their culture & heritage just for a job provided by the greedy - which is mainly Germany & UK . But the UK doesnt need freedom of movement because it has it's own currency

In essence it's domination of Europe by Germany at the expense of everyone else, I'm surprised you haven't worked that out yet

Yes, you would of thought so as he lives in France, close to me where we have the SS on every corner and have to go and ask the German authorities every time we want to take a pee.

 

[caveman]

Up until recently I was sure that there would be no trade agreement with the EU. I now think the EU is steering the UK into agreeing some form of last minute Norway option. This would effectively still tie the UK into most of the rules, regs and funding of Europe but remove us entirely from the decision making process. This would be a highly satisfactory outcome for the European federalists.

Dream on

 

[Hindsight]

People would continue voting to the right untl we got a nationalist government if that happened

Freedom of movement is not acceptable

Freedom of movement exists ONLY because EU countries no longer have seperate currencies, whereas before the Euro a country could lower it's exchange rate to compete today they cannot and it just generates unemployment

The unemployed need to move to where the work is - not everyone is willing to abandon their culture & heritage just for a job provided by the greedy - which is mainly Germany & UK . But the UK doesnt need freedom of movement because it has it's own currency

In essence it's domination of Europe by Germany at the expense of everyone else, I'm surprised you haven't worked that out yet

I follow the theory of your post. But a question. Are you sure the electorate would vote right as you say to form a nationalist government - did no the last general election rather scupper that? And the last GE rather to me showed the electorate are interested in other issues than Brexit? Your thesis is base I suggest on immigration being prime issue in the mind of the electorate - but is it? And as say 100,000 electors at most in around 100 swing constituencies actually decide the election then it what they decide is important - so for example the heavily pro leave coastal Lincolnshire seats will vote a Tory in regardless - as I have said before a one eyed monkey would get in here if wearing a blue rosette. But what about those 100 swing constituencies and the 100,000 voters that decide who is PM??

 

[Hindsight]

Up until recently I was sure that there would be no trade agreement with the EU. I now think the EU is steering the UK into agreeing some form of last minute Norway option. This would effectively still tie the UK into most of the rules, regs and funding of Europe but remove us entirely from the decision making process. This would be a highly satisfactory outcome for the European federalists.

Yes, I tend to concur - would suit the EU to carry on getting the UK cash and not have to put up with the UK in Brussels and the regular outbursts from UKIP MEPs and our blocking everything. And to top it off we would have to comply with all the rules and regs - such a sweet, delicious conclusion for the Germans/French and EU 27. Oh dear not really what Mr Farage wanted. Hey ho. Anyway we shall see soon enough.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I follow the theory of your post. But a question. Are you sure the electorate would vote right as you say to form a nationalist government - did no the last general election rather scupper that? And the last GE rather to me showed the electorate are interested in other issues than Brexit? Your thesis is base I suggest on immigration being prime issue in the mind of the electorate - but is it? And as say 100,000 electors at most in around 100 swing constituencies actually decide the election then it what they decide is important - so for example the heavily pro leave coastal Lincolnshire seats will vote a Tory in regardless - as I have said before a one eyed monkey would get in here if wearing a blue rosette. But what about those 100 swing constituencies and the 100,000 voters that decide who is PM??

85% of people voted for Brexit in the last general election, I know I thought it was a done deal

Labour specifically have U turned on Brexit & are now suffering a decrease in the polls = because they lied

Cleggy found lying wasn't a good idea

Yes people are interested in other issues like housing & student debt & NHS & zero hours contracts ... all poor Labour policies from Bliar's era - immigration affects all those issues negatively

Will the electorate vote Right ? depends if they get the choice to vote Right. UKIP & Brexit have shown the main political parties are not providing solutions

The swing seat idea goes back to traditional politics ... hopefully that is a thing of the past

 

[Hindsight]

85% of people voted for Brexit in the last general election, I know I thought it was a done deal

Labour specifically have U turned on Brexit & are now suffering a decrease in the polls = because they lied

Cleggy found lying wasn't a good idea

Yes people are interested in other issues like housing & student debt & NHS & zero hours contracts ... all poor Labour policies from Bliar's era - immigration affects all those issues negatively

Will the electorate vote Right ? depends if they get the choice to vote Right. UKIP & Brexit have shown the main political parties are not providing solutions

The swing seat idea goes back to traditional politics ... hopefully that is a thing of the past

The swing seat - well we shall see.

Your thesis does depend on Brexit and immigration being the be all and end all for those 100,000 or so voters. And it is only those 100,000 voters who will decide the election. So few that they are pretty much known individually by the main political parties down to ward and street level. My vote here is sunny South Lincs is irrelevant as my local Tory will be elected regardless.

I am not totally taken by your statement that 85% voted for Brexit in the General Election. As both Labour and Tories said they were pro Brexit it left a number of folk who were remainers rather scuppered if they wanted to vote for their usual party if they did not agree with the Brexit approach.

 

[wanton dwarf]

I am not totally taken by your statement that 85% voted for Brexit in the General Election. As both Labour and Tories said they were pro Brexit it left a number of folk who were remainers rather scuppered if they wanted to vote for their usual party if they did not agree with the Brexit approach.

If there had been any major feeling against Brexit it would have appeared in more votes for the Liberal Democrats ... Cleggy got thrown out by the public and the Liberal Democrat vote was down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

 

[Hindsight]

If there had been any major feeling against Brexit it would have appeared in more votes for the Liberal Democrats ... Cleggy got thrown out by the public and the Liberal Democrat vote was down

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results

Yes, I can follow your logic. It does generally appear that Brexit is now accepted as will occur come march 2019. I suppose from the perspective of the next General Election what will matter is how the electorate feels come 2022 about the deal. Your earlier post stated that freedom of movement was unacceptable. And inferred the electorate will not tolerate uncontrolled immigration. What will you and they do if the government did a deal which involved some freedom of movement?

On the issue of Nick Clegg - maybe if the recent revelations about the Labour candidate had been more widely known Clegg might have retained the seat. Anyway water under the bridge now. Funny old world seeing Cameron pop up at the Cenotaph today.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Dyson is no fool...

How much land has he bought since the Brexit vote?

 

[neilo]

Because the silly cow in number 10 dosent want to leave, so they will leave in name only, spineless treacherous cowards.

Careful what you wish for.

If May went, there would be very real pressure for another general election, and probably rightly so. If that were to happen, there'd be a good chance of Corbyn getting in, if only because of the Lib Dem's gaining a few seats from the Tories on a 'reverse Brexit' ticket. I would have thought there would be a very real chance of Brexit not happening at all if Labour took power, even if it was a last minute thing from a referendum on an agreement.

 

[caveman]

Depends who they replaced May with.
Gove or Boris with a hardline Brexit manifesto would give the Tories a landslide victory.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Careful what you wish for.

If May went, there would be very real pressure for another general election, and probably rightly so.

Depends if the DUP pulled their support

 

[tje]

How much land has he bought since the Brexit vote?

Don't know ...but land might be quite a bit cheaper after march 2019 ....

 

[neilo]

Depends who they replaced May with.
Gove or Boris with a hardline Brexit manifesto would give the Tories a landslide victory.

Search as I might, I can't seem to find a 'dieing in a fit of laughter' smiley, so this will have to do....

 

[Hilly]

Depends who they replaced May with.
Gove or Boris with a hardline Brexit manifesto would give the Tories a landslide victory.

Mog in tomorrow, tell the eu too f off day after, 3rd day gen elc and landslide victory for mog.

 

[Henarar]

Mog in tomorrow, tell the eu too f off day after, 3rd day gen elc and landslide victory for mog.

SIMPLES

 

[jendan]

Mog in tomorrow, tell the eu too f off day after, 3rd day gen elc and landslide victory for mog.

It would be a landslide victory for Corbyn!

 

[czechmate]

It would be a landslide victory for Corbyn!

I think so, I just cannot imagine voting for mog

 

[Hilly]

I think so, I just cannot imagine voting for mog

Its not "Im a celebrity get me out of here" vote for policy`s.