Buy some lube and brace yourselves, we're all going to be fudged by red tractor

[fieldfarmer]

Was just my interpretation, DEFRA will have details of assured farms and can carry out some basic compliance checks using information shared with assurance bodies.

So that's a no then.

 

[neilo]

I was reading it that if you’re assured then you are less likely to get a cross compliance or other SFP inspection as DEFRA can see what standards you are already being assessed for?

As is supposed to be the case already.

 

[beardface]

Looks like ELMS will be getting a massive middle finger from most farmers then. If gov isn't careful they risk losing any kind of control of ag, aside from basic trading standards.

 

[Cowabunga]

One thing that we all need to remember. Farming is a voluntary business. Nobody can force us to farm or to produce a damn thing.

It then comes down to whether the farmer finds it worthwhile to put up with this bullshïte. I suspect that there will be no shortage of masochists volunteering to continue to do so.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

It looks like Defra have spotted someone doing lots of inspections, a bit like the ea, rpa, trading standards etc do.

They've also spotted that someone else is paying for it.

They have possibly promised a bit more for elms than they now realise they can afford.

If they make the private inspection process a compulsory part of elms, they will save a fortune.

They think they don't need UK ag.

They think that imported cheap commodities will always be available.

They like the supermarkets because they believe the lies about cheap food; let's not even go into that.

The non farmers union are helping them sort it all out in exchange for some guaranteed fee income.

It's a rat trap Judy; and we've been caught.

 

[Old apprentice]

Was just my interpretation, DEFRA will have details of assured farms and can carry out some basic compliance checks using information shared with assurance bodies.

Is RT spiling out to others individual farm information . They should have to get farms permission to spilout farm information. What's this law unto them selves.

 

[Hampton]

What did I tell you @An Gof ??

 

[Cowabunga]

Is RT spiling out to others individual farm information . They should have to get farms permission to spilout farm information. What's this law unto them selves.

Do we sign up to have our information shared by Red Tractor? I think not and if they do share or sell information then they surely break GDPR rules.

 

[jackrussell101]

Won't it be unfair that we (UK) are going to have to jump through all these schemes and produce/operate to increasingly higher standards, yet they're more than happy to run off with some other country who has worse standards than us and sign a free trade deal with their imported products having no tariffs?!

 

[DrWazzock]

Makes you feel like going back to just farm gate direct sales, meat, eggs, potatoes etc as a hobby. As long as I’ve enough to clear the utility bills and council tax I’ll be alright. Sod bulk commodities at low prices especially with all the added bulls**t. Ranch it and shoot pheasants all winter.

 

[Hampton]

Won't it be unfair that we (UK) are going to have to jump through all these schemes and produce/operate to increasingly higher standards, yet they're more than happy to run off with some other country who has worse standards than us and sign a free trade deal with their imported products having no tariffs?!

I think they will use it to pay for the animal welfare etc bit of elms

 

[Old apprentice]

Wold that be rewilding!

 

[bobk]

There doesn't seem to be any evidence to support that claim.

There is , anecdotally .

 

[Flat 10]

We are all peasants we can’t understand the higher things planned for us

 

[Martin Holden]

That's how I read it, if you want a subsidy/elms then you will have to be assured, eventually leading to needing formal agriculture qualifications and a licence to farm.

I am sure this is what Denmark have been doing for years. You can’t just buy or take over the family farm without what I believe they call a “green certificate” essentially a good grounding in farming and business training too

 

[jondear]

The problem with most of these certification schemes is that eventually they never are truly voluntary. They are designed to evolve become "the standard" which has to be met in order to sell your produce and before you know it, your business ends up being run by other people.

A strong union should be fighting against such schemes, not dreaming them up.

Tesco aligned milk producers are already doing it . Actually most dairy farmers are having to do RT to exist.

 

[Old apprentice]

Tesco aligned milk producers are already doing it . Actually most dairy farmers are having to do RT to exist.

Nearly all milk producers have to be rt.

 

[Cowmansam]

Do we sign up to have our information shared by Red Tractor? I think not and if they do share or sell information then they surely break GDPR rules.

Bet it’s in the small print

 

[robs1]

Nearly all milk producers have to be rt.

All it takes is for 95 % of dairy farmers to tell the buyers they wont be red tractor anymore, the dairy companies have no business without milk, those running these businesses only care about their salaries and pensions if their businesses finish they lose out, it just takes some unity, just like when the mmb finished.

 

[Cowmansam]

All it takes is for 95 % of dairy farmers to tell the buyers they wont be red tractor anymore, the dairy companies have no business without milk, those running these businesses only care about their salaries and pensions if their businesses finish they lose out, it just takes some unity, just like when the mmb finished.

Be like herding cats