Castrated steer serving cow?!

[Dog Bowl]

As title. Get to the farm this morning and a steer had jumped the gate into a group of calving cows next door.
One cow in the group bulling like mad. I get to the pen and see that shes standing and the steer in question serving her. He has his 'equipment' in full 'extension mode'(!).

Now I've not ever seen this before. The steer in question was castrated by a vet (cut and tie) at around 3 months of age. He would be 11 months old now.

Should I be worried?!

 

[primmiemoo]

Hi, there. Cut and tie?

Does that mean he was vasectomised? When a vet castrated bull calves here last, they were pinched. He didn't want to perform a surgery.

 

[Netherfield]

We never used that method, don't the testicles shrink and dry like when using the Burdizzo?

 

[primmiemoo]

We never used that method, don't the testicles shrink and dry like when using the Burdizzo?

They retain a cod after pinching, but it's empty.

Best to ring bull calves during their first week. Saves a lot of faff with rigs and stags later.

 

[Dog Bowl]

Indeed. He has an empty cod (well looks empty!). I've never seen this happen before though. Always assume as they are ball-less they lose their sexual instincts.

As an aside this years calving is the first year I'm using rings.... Why didn't I use them sooner! They are fantastic!!!!

 

[Skintagain]

My mate at work had snip and was still fertile as they accidentally cut through a vein instead of tube, after the pain of the first time with this error, he is still putting it off!! Been calling him a rig for past 6 months

 

[multi power]

As title. Get to the farm this morning and a steer had jumped the gate into a group of calving cows next door.
One cow in the group bulling like mad. I get to the pen and see that shes standing and the steer in question serving her. He has his 'equipment' in full 'extension mode'(!).

Now I've not ever seen this before. The steer in question was castrated by a vet (cut and tie) at around 3 months of age. He would be 11 months old now.

Should I be worried?!

What do you mean by cut and tie?
When cut the testicles are removed

 

[Dog Bowl]

What do you mean by cut and tie?
When cut the testicles are removed

Yeh the testicles removed so I'm assuming hes firing blanks.
I dont know why but I've been brought up saying cut and tie! But yes, testicles cut.

 

[Pistonbroke]

My mate at work had snip and was still fertile as they accidentally cut through a vein instead of tube, after the pain of the first time with this error, he is still putting it off!! Been calling him a rig for past 6 months

Take it you didn't finish the job properly with a burdizzo

 

[Pistonbroke]

I sold a hell of a good 3/4lim steer once,best we ever had,topped the trade on the day. Auctioneer was on on the phone a month later to say the buyer was wanting£100 to pay the vet to do a proper castration because he was jumping heifers and he had only been pinched and had tiny stones.

 

[Skintagain]

Is he any where near killing weight/condition? If so get him on feed and gone as soon as he’s old enough.

I sold a hell of a good 3/4lim steer once,best we ever had,topped the trade on the day. Auctioneer was on on the phone a month later to say the buyer was wanting£100 to pay the vet to do a proper castration because he was jumping heifers and he had only been pinched and had tiny stones.

Bit of discount for chap as he had paid too much??

 

[Pistonbroke]

Very genuine buyer who bought a lot of our cattle and wouldn't be making it up. Alternative was pay transport to get him back and give the money back. He made £200 more than I was expecting anyway so I just bit the bullet. Every calf since then has about three pinches each side

 

[multi power]

Yeh the testicles removed so I'm assuming hes firing blanks.
I dont know why but I've been brought up saying cut and tie! But yes, testicles cut.

If they are out he is 100% not fertile

 

[Paul E]

...unless he was born as an E.T.
No not Embryo transfer - Extra testicle!

 

[hendrebc]

I had some heifers start calving unexpectedly one year. The date they would have been served they would have been in a shed mixed with steers that bad been castrated by a vet by cutting them out. Always throw balls into a bucket and count them out because one vet left one ball in once and we had a one balled bull so I'm always very careful to make sure they are done properly. All the steers from that shed were still here so I got them in and checked them and none had anything visible only empty bags. Vet checked them too while he was pding and all had scars and no balls in their sacks. But one of them must have served those heifers it couldn't have been anything else the nearest bull was mine in a shed half a mile away.
Vet told me it's not impossible for them to have a third ball up inside them but it would be unlikely that he would be properly fertile with it because of body heat killing the sperm... But not impossible...
6 out of 7 of the heifers in that group were served and calved over a 3 month period and the only thing that could have served them was one of the steers.

 

[Werzle]

Bulls can still sire calves for 7-10days after being cut is what the vet has always told me, pinching them has always been a lottery.

 

[Tarw Coch]

They retain a cod after pinching, but it's empty.

Best to ring bull calves during their first week. Saves a lot of faff with rigs and stags later.

Ringing can be got wrong too , got to make sure the stones are below the ring.

I’ve not had anything to do with the store cattle trade for years now but at one time ringed steers didn’t sell as well as those with a cod.

 

[primmiemoo]

Ringing can be got wrong too , got to make sure the stones are below the ring.

I’ve not had anything to do with the store cattle trade for years now but at one time ringed steers didn’t sell as well as those with a cod.

Back when I was rearing calves, it was a real nuisance buying dairy bred bulls because they'd be too old to ring. Faff of pinching, with associated risk of selling something "strong" as a store, and having him returned was off putting.

Our male suckled calves were ringed young, sold as store, and nobody quibbled about a lack of cods.

Store trade is a curious thing.

 

[puppet]

If he was 'aroused' (as described in court recently) then he needs testosterone. For that he needs a testicle. Get him in a crush and tell us what you find, may be high up. Hope he has not been in with some heifers

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

If he has no rubbish he can’t produce any swimmers can he ? Wouldn’t worry a jot if you saw the vat pull his nads out of the sack