Challenger pulled out of Europe

[Clive]

Needs a bit more than that though doesn't it.

it needs drills to match the mini robots etc. And unless everything is wanting changing all at the same time it just adds additional cost.

And at the end of the day is say 10 mini drills and mini robots needed to pull them going to be cheaper than 1 big drill and robot tractor?

Again all down to unit cost per acre. Non of us know the answer to that one yet!

As you say we don't know yet but take away the weight and you take away the need for cultivation

Increase the definition your working at and you take away the need for blanket spraying / fertilisation as well

The machines the robots will use will simply be small versions of the machines (drills) we use today - not a lot to develop there really is there ?

 

[Drillman]

As you say we don't know yet but take away the weight and you take away the need for cultivation

Increase the definition your working at and you take away the need for blanket spraying / fertilisation as well

The machines the robots will use will simply be small versions of the machines (drills) we use today - not a lot to develop there really is there ?

Oh i'm sure your right in the long term but where a way off yet. Just remember a lot of dryer countries haven't cultivated for years to conserve moisture. At the widths they run wheelings aren't much of an issue either. I've had 1st hand experience of this myself in Australia.

 

[Clive]

Oh i'm sure your right in the long term but where a way off yet. Just remember a lot of dryer countries haven't cultivated for years to conserve moisture. At the widths they run wheelings aren't much of an issue either. I've had 1st hand experience of this myself in Australia.

I agree it's a long way off but no longer than it takes to get a new tractor model from concept to production which I bet is a10 yr type cycle

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[Drillman]

I agree it's a long way off but no longer than it takes to get a new tractor model from concept to production which I bet is a10 yr type cycle

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A few early adopters in maybe 20 years time i reckon. But won't be mainstream for at least 30 years plus. By then we will be past caring

 

[Clive]

A few early adopters in maybe 20 years time i reckon. But won't be mainstream for at least 30 years plus. By then we will be past caring

Early adopters within the next 2 years imo

Mainstream within 15

The tech exists - it's only a case of making it comercial

 

[turbo]

Early adopters within the next 2 years imo

Mainstream within 15

The tech exists - it's only a case of making it comercial

In this country?

 

[Clive]

In this country?

Yes why not ? The UK tends not to be far behind the ag technology curve

I will buy as soon as something commercially viable is available that's for sure and I don't think that far off really

I'm looking at sprayers right now and pretty sure what I buy will probably be the last sprayer I buy

 

[turbo]

Yes why not ? The UK tends not to be far behind the ag technology curve

I will buy as soon as something commercially viable is available that's for sure and I don't think that far off really

I'm looking at sprayers right now and pretty sure what I buy will probably be the last sprayer I buy

Watch this space then,carnt see it myself maybe in the high end veg world but it will be a brave man who makes the decision to invest thousands of £ just as we are leaving Europe

 

[Clive]

Watch this space then,carnt see it myself maybe in the high end veg world but it will be a brave man who makes the decision to invest thousands of £ just as we are leaving Europe

If we have to cut costs further more efficient tech is the only option

 

[Robt]

Sorry drillman but Clive is closer to the mark than you! Go back 15 years, that's 2002, auto steer was just beginning... look at today. In 15 years.... that's a long time In electronics

 

[Colin]

I remember when yield mapping was to closest 6m.
Robot weeding for my carrots soon I hope.
What could we use to replace stone separation?

 

[Drillman]

Sorry drillman but Clive is closer to the mark than you! Go back 15 years, that's 2002, auto steer was just beginning... look at today. In 15 years.... that's a long time In electronics

2002 in my world that's new fangled dark magic stuff

In my world i'm barely one step ahead of your average Davy Broon ploughing expert Although i would like to think i have a slightly more mellow mind and manner

Edit- this mini robot stuff maybe ok for drilling but how do we cope. with mucking cattle sheds out, Baling silage etc etc?

 

[binbusy]

I've still got fields where I would be happy retaining a gps signal for the day let alone some of the things you lot are suggesting!

First things first gents.

 

[Chae1]

2002 in my world that's new fangled dark magic stuff

In my world i'm barely one step ahead of your average Davy Broon ploughing expert Although i would like to think i have a slightly more mellow mind and manner

Edit- this mini robot stuff maybe ok for drilling but how do we cope. with mucking cattle sheds out, Baling silage etc etc?

I was sitting in my first autosteer tractor in 2001 in Australia. The place you seem to think will be slow to adopt driverless machines. I thought they were very up to date with new technology.

Farm had a bee line system. Used to set up base station in field to work off.

 

[Drillman]

I was sitting in my first autosteer tractor in 2001 in Australia. The place you seem to think will be slow to adopt driverless machines. I thought they were very up to date with new technology.

Farm had a bee line system. Used to set up base station in field to work off.

I was there in 96 using a JD8440, 35ft air seeder and the force

 

[D14]

Needs a bit more than that though doesn't it.

it needs drills to match the mini robots etc. And unless everything is wanting changing all at the same time it just adds additional cost.

And at the end of the day is say 10 mini drills and mini robots needed to pull them going to be cheaper than 1 big drill and robot tractor?

Again all down to unit cost per acre. Non of us know the answer to that one yet!

I wonder realistically running 24/7 how much work 10 mini robots pulling 10 single disc drill openers could do? Surely the drills would be much cheaper because its literally 1 opener with a much smaller hopper and the mini robot have equivalent power to around 10hp.

The same robots then return to the fields with 3m sprayers to apply fertiliser and chemicals.

 

[oil barron]

Early adopters within the next 2 years imo

Mainstream within 15

The tech exists - it's only a case of making it comercial

You're living in a world of only grain farming where you just need to scratch the surface. Huge amount of Track layers sold here and the only grain planted is for dairy fodder under flood irrigation which needs to be deep ripped periodically. Other work is all for veg, ripping, heavy discing ridging and planting. Dole uses track layers to plant all their lettuce in the salinas valley. I would think also the auto steer / auto plant tech is going to be a significant proportion of the cost so you would have to make it a reasonable size to start with until the cost of that comes down. New holland has already shown their hand with the driverless T8. This is where it will start. The miniature stuff may come along later.

Also remember you have to cart the grain and bale and move the straw.

 

[Clive]

You're living in a world of only grain farming where you just need to scratch the surface. Huge amount of Track layers sold here and the only grain planted is for dairy fodder under flood irrigation which needs to be deep ripped periodically. Other work is all for veg, ripping, heavy discing ridging and planting. Dole uses track layers to plant all their lettuce in the salinas valley. I would think also the auto steer / auto plant tech is going to be a significant proportion of the cost so you would have to make it a reasonable size to start with until the cost of that comes down. New holland has already shown their hand with the driverless T8. This is where it will start. The miniature stuff may come along later.

Also remember you have to cart the grain and bale and move the straw.

your missing the point - when machines become MUCH smaller and of insignificant weight the need to the deep work stuff completely disappears

harvest logistics of high volume crops will be the biggest challenge but stuff like fully automated chaser bins existed 5 years ago so even that will get there eventually


Scaled stuff like this will be the future of veg production I expect

you need to think completely differently to envisage how this works, it all about numbers not size very much in the same way ancient egyptians build pyramids without machines

 

[Rob Holmes]

Look familiar?

https://www.profi.de/news/Challenger-in-Europa-demnaechst-in-Fendt-Farben-8125724.html (need to translate from German)

It says the new Fendt crawlers will be launched at this years Agritechnica

 

[Clive]

Look familiar?

https://www.profi.de/news/Challenger-in-Europa-demnaechst-in-Fendt-Farben-8125724.html (need to translate from German)

It says the new Fendt crawlers will be launched at this years Agritechnica

bad photoshop that !