Clik Extra & Tic Treatment

[Highlandcheviot]

I’ve just put clik extra on all the lambs and now had a couple of gimmers and a ewe go wobbly on legs/ neurological symptoms and had a chat with vet today who thinks it’s tick related. Lambs were treated with spotinor 6 weeks ago so cover will be just gone and wishing I’d used crovect now instead of clik. Anyone know if I can use a tick treatment after applying clik extra? The data sheet just says they haven’t done any trials to show incompatibility’s with other product so it’s not a yes or a no.

 

[neilo]

Not a vet recc (so don’t try to sue me) but I’ve used Crovect on sheep that have had Clik on a month previous, with no adverse effects. Not for ticks, but to try to reduce headflies (it didn’t much work).

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

Ive used spot on type stuff in the past at the same time as Clik with no adverse effect.
I know Clik isn’t for the treatment or prevention of ticks on the label, but I wonder if it creates an environment on the sheep where maggots can’t exist, perhaps any ticks are going’s to find it challenging also ?

 

[twizzel]

I use spotinor with clik and don’t have a problem. Don’t do both on the same day mind.

 

[Nithsdale]

Ive used spot on type stuff in the past at the same time as Clik with no adverse effect.
I know Clik isn’t for the treatment or prevention of ticks on the label, but I wonder if it creates an environment on the sheep where maggots can’t exist, perhaps any ticks are going’s to find it challenging also ?

It's a growth regulator... so it won't stop the ticks biting.

It might impede the growth of younger ticks a little.. but they'll still be blood suckers

 

[Highlandcheviot]

Got some spotinor on one of the batches today, thanks for the replies!

 

[Hill Ground]

I've treated autumn maggots with crovect, and then put a dose of clik on too to cover any bits the crovect missed and never had a problem, only done a few though!!

 

[NFI]

We applied crovect to lambs a couple of weeks ago and now have 5 in the shed with same symptoms. Apparently crovect only protects the area covered. Dysect or equivalent would probably have been better but has a 49 day withdrawal. Will probably dip the ewes soon so anything small will get thrown in.

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

It's a growth regulator... so it won't stop the ticks biting.

It might impede the growth of younger ticks a little.. but they'll still be blood suckers

How does Crovect/ Ectofly etc work ?

 

[Moors Lad]

We applied crovect to lambs a couple of weeks ago and now have 5 in the shed with same symptoms. Apparently crovect only protects the area covered. Dysect or equivalent would probably have been better but has a 49 day withdrawal. Will probably dip the ewes soon so anything small will get thrown in.

I think a tick passes on disease when it bites so it may still pass on disease before (or at the same time as ) it ingests a lethal dose of p/on. I found Dysect horrible to work with so tended to use Spot On or it`s equivalents or Crovect. We found Crovect good - kept ticks off sheep and short w/d period ( on heather moorland with ticks). I think you`ve got to stick at it though as the sheep "hoover" up ticks which are then killed by the p/on - long term project to reduce tick population...... ( Deer and rabbits etc can help tick populate your land though!)

 

[BrianV]

I’ve just put clik extra on all the lambs and now had a couple of gimmers and a ewe go wobbly on legs/ neurological symptoms and had a chat with vet today who thinks it’s tick related. Lambs were treated with spotinor 6 weeks ago so cover will be just gone and wishing I’d used crovect now instead of clik. Anyone know if I can use a tick treatment after applying clik extra? The data sheet just says they haven’t done any trials to show incompatibility’s with other product so it’s not a yes or a no.

Far better off using Dysect much more effective against ticks.

 

[BrianV]

I think a tick passes on disease when it bites so it may still pass on disease before (or at the same time as ) it ingests a lethal dose of p/on. I found Dysect horrible to work with so tended to use Spot On or it`s equivalents or Crovect. We found Crovect good - kept ticks off sheep and short w/d period ( on heather moorland with ticks). I think you`ve got to stick at it though as the sheep "hoover" up ticks which are then killed by the p/on - long term project to reduce tick population...... ( Deer and rabbits etc can help tick populate your land though!)

As Dysect is put on with a "drenching" gun sprayed on their backs I'm baffled as to why Dysect is any more horrible than the others in your opinion.
Dysect is far better for tick protection than the others.

 

[BrianV]

Strangely enough having had sheep grazing the tick infested moors for over 38 years & handled them often I can honestly say I have never once been biting by a tick & yet our dogs often come back with ticks, even the cat turns up with a couple every now & then, I have always assumed that a certain amount of Dysect has been transferred to me during handling the sheep giving me protection or else I must be one very lucky farmer.

 

[Moors Lad]

As Dysect is put on with a "drenching" gun sprayed on their backs I'm baffled as to why Dysect is any more horrible than the others in your opinion.

First time we used Dysect on fresh clipped ewes it caused "peeling" of skin on their backs.... (label was soon changed advising some "stubble" before application) - this was a pain as we had to keep them in for some days to allow for some regrowth before turning back to moor. Main reason for not using it was that I got a reaction when handling sheep at lambing time that had been treated some time earlier with Dysect...

Each to his own though!!

 

[BrianV]

First time we used Dysect on fresh clipped ewes it caused "peeling" of skin on their backs.... (label was soon changed advising some "stubble" before application) - this was a pain as we had to keep them in for some days to allow for some regrowth before turning back to moor. Main reason for not using it was that I got a reaction when handling sheep at lambing time that had been treated some time earlier with Dysect...

Each to his own though!!

As eager as we are to put then out on the moor as we shear the Scotch Blackfaces first week of May every year we always keep them in for a couple of weeks as the stubble on their backs helps prevent run off should it rain before long.

 

[Moors Lad]

Strangely enough having had sheep grazing the tick infested moors for over 38 years & handled them often I can honestly say I have never once been biting by a tick & yet our dogs often come back with ticks, even the cat turns up with a couple every now & then, I have always assumed that a certain amount of Dysect has been transferred to me during handling the sheep giving me protection or else I must be one very lucky farmer.

Not had a tick on myself for many years either BUT don`t use Dysect though..... Four or five treatments a year with Spot on (or equivalent) or Crovect has seriously reduced tick population on our moorland, after many years treatment.... Only ever find a tick on sheep in our fields that have only been treated with Clik.

 

[BrianV]

Not had a tick on myself for many years either BUT don`t use Dysect though..... Four or five treatments a year with Spot on (or equivalent) or Crovect has seriously reduced tick population on our moorland, after many years treatment.... Only ever find a tick on sheep in our fields that have only been treated with Clik.

We only treat the ewes & lambs once before turnout & they are weaned & brought off middle of September, we have not had a case of tick related joint ill since we started using Dysect 30 odd years ago, before that it was common place for quite a few to develop it.

 

[Nithsdale]

How does Crovect/ Ectofly etc work ?

Crovect, Ectofly etc is Cypermetherin (Dysect is AlphaCypermetherin) - it kills any insect which comes in contact with it by exposure to a lethal dose.

It is a nerve agent, killing by attacking the nervous system

 

[JohnGalway]

I use spotinor with clik and don’t have a problem. Don’t do both on the same day mind.

I used spotinor and clik extra on same day with ewes and lambs this year, not had a problem

Can't make time to do several gathers. So I did them both. The general question always comes up with my vet, I like to find labour free/lower labour ways and his stock answer is usually do multiple things on one day - He did not give specific advise on using spotinor & click on the same day just to be clear.

>IF< Crovect is the same as our Vector, then when I was in the local merchant we had been chatting about the difference between Clik and Vector for blowfly, we agreed we needed a vet in the conversation and............. a vet walked in the door

She bought Clik for her own lambs which told me everything I needed to know. Apparently the Clik goes all through the fleece, but the Vector ONLY protects the area it's applied to. No good for my experience with maggots.

 

[Moors Lad]

I did hear that when Crovect came off licence (meaning other firms could "copy" it) there was an issue with one product not doing the job properly so I`ve ALWAYS used the original item as I`ve always found it very good.
When Spot On first became available it saved us endless lambs from tick borne diseases, and it and Crovect through regular and very frequent use over many years have made a MASSIVE difference to the tick population on our moor - thank goodness as the withdrawal of louping ill vaccine could have been a SERIOUS problem with a tick population as it had been historically.