Condescending Supermarket

[steveR]

What does ICO stand for?

I can do no better, than suggest a look at the webpage.

There is actually a section on "What to do if the organisation does not respond or you are dissatisfied with the outcome".

 

[Jimdog1]

Not heard anything about a carbon audit,

Guess it will depend what happens with the RT GFC module coming in or not on what the supermarkets do next!

There is no way that small family farms of 300 acres ( or less ) can afford/ justify doing the GFC with a cost of £5000 a year unless that money can be recouped when the livestock/ grain is sold over and above the normal deadweight base price!

If RT introduce it/ make it a condition of being assured then with no clear price bonus covering the costs of doing the GFC then it could well be the start of the end for RT/ farm assurance!

I think GFC is dead. RT will be more worried about saving itself. The industry has no appetite for more regulation. Interestingly RSPCA assured has backed down on new, higher standards for laying hens today. A complete u turn.

 

[gone up the hill]

I think GFC is dead. RT will be more worried about saving itself. The industry has no appetite for more regulation. Interestingly RSPCA assured has backed down on new, higher standards for laying hens today. A complete u turn.

Hate to say it but i think you are wrong about the GFC being dead ( are we allowed to say that word or will Minette kick off like on X the other day )

RT are backed into a corner, farmers generally that know about it are very angry and say they will not do it yet the supermarkets want it introduced!

If RT do not introduce it they run the real risk of the supermarkets each doing their own RT/GFC scheme ( ie Tesco have their own/ Aldi their own and so on ) and then RT dying a death anyway!

And if they do introduce it and force people to do the GFC to be assured then RT run the real risk of farmers in large numbers refusing to carry on being assured and it will die a death anyway!

 

[J 1177]

Hate to say it but i think you are wrong about the GFC being dead ( are we allowed to say that word or will Minette kick off like on X the other day )

RT are backed into a corner, farmers generally that know about it are very angry yet the supermarkets want it introduced!

If RT do not introduce it they run the real risk of the supermarkets each doing their own RT/GFC scheme ( ie Tesco have their own/ Aldi their own and so on ) and then RT dying a death anyway!

I think the nfu are trying desperatley not to mention the gfc in the hope we think its over. I dont belive it is, we have a long fight on our hands

 

[Jimdog1]

Hate to say it but i think you are wrong about the GFC being dead ( are we allowed to say that word or will Minette kick off like on X the other day )

RT are backed into a corner, farmers generally that know about it are very angry and say they will not do it yet the supermarkets want it introduced!

If RT do not introduce it they run the real risk of the supermarkets each doing their own RT/GFC scheme ( ie Tesco have their own/ Aldi their own and so on ) and then RT dying a death anyway!

And if they do introduce it and force people to do the GFC to be assured then RT run the real risk of farmers in large numbers refusing to carry on being assured and it will die a death anyway!

Supermarkets may well make it a condition of business .

 

[gone up the hill]

I think the nfu are trying desperatley not to mention the gfc in the hope we think its over. I dont belive it is, we have a long fight on our hands

Yes the NFU top brass are really hoping that members think the GFC has been kicked into the long grass.

Why this has all kicked off is because the NFU top brass in Minette and Tom did NOT want NFU members to know anything about the GFC untill the day it would have been offically launched by the RT company as at that point there would have been no going back over it!

Of course while all the attention is on the NFU lets not forget that the AHDB are upto this in their necks as well and are as much to blame for this mess/ the anger around GFC etc as the NFU is.

 

[gone up the hill]

Supermarkets may well make it a condition of business

That is the risk but unless they all make it a condition of business around the same time then it could badly backfire on the ones that do it in respect of no farmers will supply them!

 

[johnb5555]

49 scarecrows take #GetFairAboutFarming protest to Parliament

Installation represents 49 per cent of growers who face losing business owing to supermarket price injustice

www.farmersguardian.com

 

[Charles.]

Tells you everything when Ms Throup from Morrisons is the BRC representative on the RT Assured Food Standards Board you just couldn’t make it up

Yes, RT likely getting lucrative backhanders from likes BRC members and other elites to keep adding new schemes to RT assurance over the years. It's illogical for RT to keep on adding schemes over the years as this increases the probability of their own demise due to farmer backlash. Minette Batters has said we need RT and she says BRC members unlikely to pay a premium for continual new schemes added to RT over the years. RT equates to ever decreasing farm income and ever increasing workload as the years roll by.

Minette Batters fails to address the illegal activity of AIC whereby AIC say UFAS mills can buy imported Gatekeeper lab tested grain but can't buy UK produced Gatekeeper lab tested grain. Batters also fails to address the presumably illegal activity of RT and members of BRC using the RT label whilst selling non farm assured produce under the RT label. Once this has been made clear to NFU then they are complicit in the illegal activity if they don't stop this coercion into a dictatorship RT assurance scheme. It's imperative we can sell on the free market Gatekeeper lab tested produce equal to or lower than imported produce. Otherwise we continue with being forced into an illegal dictatorship involving RT, AIC and BRC members.

If NFU, MPs don't sort this out, then social media with a view for the general public to spread the word to stop buying RT labelled produce. Otherwise legal action against AIC and RT and BRC members for the RT label selling non farm assured produce. In the meantime they've sold their soul to the devil so they can all burn in hell !

 

[Old apprentice]

I think the nfu are trying desperatley not to mention the gfc in the hope we think its over. I dont belive it is, we have a long fight on our hands

It would not be a long fight if every one left

 

[Charles.]

The other thing is I reckon net zero, livestock methane emissions is a lie. It's designed to tax and destroy agriculture and other businesses. Fancy being coerced into a bloody lie via a dictatorship RT assurance scheme. All those elites perpetuating this myth have sold their souls to the devil and can burn in hell.

 

[vantage]

If you do a carbon audit under current calculations a livestock farmer has no carbon credits to spare as ruminants are huge polluters. You would have to buy credits in to be neutral or plant half your farm in trees, rewild some and sell off stock.
Oh, I've just described government policy

Exactly, “current calculations”, which suit the narrative of the WEF, even though it’s a proven lie.
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[melted welly]

Exactly, “current calculations”, which suit the narrative of the WEF, even though it’s a proven lie.
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“Current calculations” that tot up all the emissions then ignore any sequestration done. The things a scam.

 

[vantage]

“Current calculations” that tot up all the emissions then ignore any sequestration done. The things a scam.

Also doesn’t differentiate between cyclical enteric methane and fossil methane.

 

[melted welly]

Also doesn’t differentiate between cyclical enteric methane and fossil methane.

Govt the same, I was applying for the carbon audit funding via Scotgov website, it asked for our emissions so I entered -1350t, it doesn’t accept negative figures. Only interested in total emissions, not net.

There was a dialogue box so I made use of that, telling them what I thought of the whole thing. All those total emissions figures entered will go into official govt stats I bet and they’ll then sit round the table, handwringing, saying “more needs to done” coming up more retarded schemes, when they’ve only told themselves half the story.

There’s a very specific feeling I get around all this, it took a while to decide what that feeling is, but I think it’s despair.

 

[Raider112]

2. It has to be at the market rate.

I don't trade with either BA or Shell. I do rely on supermarkets to sell my produce. What are BA and Shell paying?

Anything they do pay will be more than the supermarkets, they might make the right noises to get us snared but after that it will be like the red tractor premium.

 

[puppet]

There was a dialogue box so I made use of that, telling them what I thought of the whole thing. All those total emissions figures entered will go into official govt stats I bet and they’ll then sit round the table, handwringing, saying “more needs to done” coming up more retarded schemes, when they’ve only told themselves half the story.

So methane masks, feed inhibitors, precision farming to scatter 50kg an acre all to hit a needless artificial target.

 

[Martin Holden]

No but you'll struggle to sell your produce, if you have none to give away then I assume you'll have to buy them in. Meanwhile imports will carry on flying in. It seems a fairly predictable set up.
I'm guessing non assured markets will pretty much dry up completely.

I fear you are right. This administration have got food production and distribution in a right old mess. Surely the public (yes I know most go for what’s cheapest and “hang” where it comes from!)! Can be got on side of food miles and food security.

 

[Clive]

2. It has to be at the market rate.

I don't trade with either BA or Shell. I do rely on supermarkets to sell my produce. What are BA and Shell paying?

the way you establish a market rate is to have a free market …….. not one where just half a dozen supermarkets set the price ……. that eventually becomes zero just like assurance

BA / Shell don’t need to be your customers but they do need to be buying in the SAME market as the supermarket thieves

 

[britishblue]

I think we need to be blunt like the chap from the Heritage Foundation who told on stage Klaus Schwab that he wasn't interested in his agenda 'F*ck you and F*ck all you elites' Fantastic,Klaus scurried offstage like a frightened rabbit