Council Bans Unstunned Meat

[Raider112]

As ever rather then share opionins, some members resort to swearing and personal attacks. Because they have a crystal ball on their dining room table and can see how every other farmer, farms.

When was the last time you graded on a ewe slaughter line?. I was at an abattoir earlier this week, from a lot of 93 ewes, 2 died overnight in the abattoir lairage, 1 was condemned and 6 had joints removed due to arthritis. 2 tups had swollen testicles. Yet all these animals were walking and went through a sale ring 24 hours earlier. So how does a animal go from limp free walking to death and arthritis ridden over night without some form of pain killers?.

Unfortunately it is common for some carcasses of cull animals to be littered with small abscesses from unsterilised diy injection needles. This is caused by the reuse of the same needle on several animals with no prior cleansing. And sorry, yes I do know what I'm talking about because I have been on a training course to look out for tell tale signs as we were getting too many waste trimmings at one plant.

I am not defending halal slaughter and if it is done incorrectly the plant should be heavily fined and licences suspended, nor do I find it acceptable that farmers can criticise slaughter yet still send their own animals to these plants when they need to.

On using pain killers, I've never considered such a thing or even heard of the practice in 40 years in this job and I always assumed that antibiotic testing took place in abbatoirs, is this not true? Has anybody else heard of this happening?

 

[The_Swede]

@Smith31 please take five minutes to look over the BVA line on this issue. I think most fair minded folks would agree that as the representative professional body for those vets 'on the ground' in said slaughterhouses they are best placed to comment on this welfare issue.

https://www.bva.co.uk/news-campaigns-and-policy/campaigns/an-end-to-non-stun-slaughter/

Most farmers in my experience have no issue with halal per se, non-stun is the clear welfare issue and it simply cannot be justified.

 

[Castle Farm]

About bloody time someone put a stop to non-stun killing. Whoever it was that allowed it to happen needs to have a rubber ring around his balls..I got the kit..Give me his name.

 

[unlacedgecko]

@Err01-if a farmer can load a pregnant animal into a trailer, take it to the mart at 8am knowing full well that animal will be at the mart most of the day, then it will be loaded on to a wagon, probably driven hundreds of miles to the abattoir all without feed, then slaughtered he or she should be prosecuted and banned from keeping livestock for life.

With all due respect farmers really should go and witness what evils are found in an abattoir gut room, endless runs of unborn lambs on cull ewe slaughter lines. The abattoir operators and the farmers are equally to blame it's nothing to do with religion it's the £.

What's the problem with transporting pregnant animals?

What's the problem with slaughtering pregnant animals?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

What's the problem with slaughtering pregnant animals?

Surely you don’t need to ask that...

 

[unlacedgecko]

Surely you don’t need to ask that...

Yes.

Eustrumate is routinely used by beef farmers to abort heifers which have been bulled too young, often by their own fathers, so it can't be the killing of the unborn animal which is the problem?

 

[yellowbelly]

What's the problem with slaughtering pregnant animals?

Half/three parts grown calves dying on slaughterhouse floors shouldn't be happening IMHO.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Yes.

Eustrumate is routinely used by beef farmers to abort heifers which have been bulled too young, often by their own fathers, so it can't be the killing of the unborn animal which is the problem?

Estrumate is a management tool in an emergency, Knowingly sending a pregnant animal for slaughter is diabolical...I’m pretty sure the slaughtermen don’t want their job being made any harder by having to slaughter a live calf or lamb when they open it up

 

[unlacedgecko]

Estrumate is a management tool in an emergency,

According to what I've read on here, it's used routinely on all heifers at housing in some herds.

Knowingly sending a pregnant animal for slaughter is diabolical...I’m pretty sure the slaughtermen don’t want their job being made any harder by having to slaughter a live calf or lamb when they open it up

From what I've read on the procedure, the foetus dies within 2 mins of the mother being stuck for bleeding. The womb and foetus is then removed with the green offal (digestive and GI tracts), and disposed of in the same way.

I maybe wrong, but I don't think that the slaughter men are having to cut living calves out of cows to then slaughter the calves.

Therefore, I can only suppose that objections to the practice are on moral grounds. I suppose parallels could be drawn to the slaughter of pregnant cull ruminants and the destruction of male laying strain birds at hatching. It's the economic reality of modern farming.

 

[yellowbelly]

...I’m pretty sure the slaughtermen don’t want their job being made any harder by having to slaughter a live calf or lamb when they open it up

+I
Our local slaughterhouse doesn't like that at all (and quite rightly, IMO, too).
I've even seen ewes in cull pens giving birth. What sort of stockman loaded them up that morning to go to a market??

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I've even seen ewes in cull pens giving birth. What sort of stockman loaded them up that morning to go to a market??

Stevie wonder

 

[unlacedgecko]

+I
Our local slaughterhouse doesn't like that at all (and quite rightly, IMO, too).
I've even seen ewes in cull pens giving birth. What sort of stockman loaded them up that morning to go to a market??

So what would have been the correct course of action in that case?

Keep the ewe till she lambs, then despatch the lambs at birth and send ewe cull that day?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

+I
Our local slaughterhouse doesn't like that at all (and quite rightly, IMO, too).
I've even seen ewes in cull pens giving birth. What sort of stockman loaded them up that morning to go to a market??

Woodheads sent a letter out last winter saying any heifers sent for slaughter in calf would result in the farmers details being passed over to trading standards

 

[Northeastfarmer]

So what would have been the correct course of action in that case?

Keep the ewe till she lambs, then despatch the lambs at birth and send ewe cull that day?

Sell it as a couple

 

[unlacedgecko]

Woodheads sent a letter out last winter saying any heifers sent for slaughter in calf would result in the farmers details being passed over to trading standards

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I’d imagine with a view for prosecution

 

[unlacedgecko]

Sell it as a couple

It's a cull ewe, possibly for mastitis. You would sell cull ewes as couples?

 

[unlacedgecko]

I’d imagine with a view for prosecution

On what grounds?

 

[Northeastfarmer]

It's a cull ewe, possibly for mastitis. You would sell cull ewes as couples?

Not with mastitis no

 

[Northeastfarmer]

On what grounds?

I don’t know, never looked into it