Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Cowabunga]

I believe that about 20% of people who have the vaccine have a minor reaction as the body detects the product. It seems that the reactions are more pronounced in people who have already had an actual Covid infection, because the body recognises the vaccine much quicker.
'Minor reaction' usually means a slight lump or pain in the arm and/or flu-like symptoms that go away after 24 to 48 hours. This is best NOT treated by any painkiller such as aspirin, paracetamol or ibuprofen apparently, so as to maximise the vaccines potential efficacy over the 14 days necessary for it to be optimally effective, if you see what I mean. [There are probably much better ways of putting that].

 

[HolzKopf]

I believe that about 20% of people who have the vaccine have a minor reaction as the body detects the product. It seems that the reactions are more pronounced in people who have already had an actual Covid infection, because the body recognises the vaccine much quicker.
'Minor reaction' usually means a slight lump or pain in the arm and/or flu-like symptoms that go away after 24 to 48 hours. This is best NOT treated by any painkiller such as aspirin, paracetamol or ibuprofen apparently, so as to maximise the vaccines potential efficacy over the 14 days necessary for it to be optimally effective, if you see what I mean. [There are probably much better ways of putting that].

Good point - Jab (not jam) tomorrow (and that's unsolicited and ahead of time for me)

 

[ollie989898]

The reaction to the jab could be down to several reasons.

Firstly, you've just stuck a metal object into a muscle. This causes pain and inflammation, the cells in the area release certain chemicals and the immune system migrates there even if no pathogen or autogenic agent is present.

Second, the vaccine will contain a number of compounds, the Pfizer one, in particular uses a lipid capsule the mRNA is encased in. Sure enough, this lipid may appear as 'foreign' to your body and your immune system will react to it- an allergic reaction.

The feeling rough and in particular, feeling hotter than usual is a classic part of your innate immune response and entirely normal. Raising the body's temperature has been a way of combating pathogens for eons.

You may take paracetamol or other painkillers if you so wish with minimal ill effect, the immune system will take several days to do anything with an antigen it has not yet encountered before.

 

[HolzKopf]

Interesting you mention HSE law because I can see a covid jab becoming a H&S requirement for certain jobs involving time spent in someone's personal space, such as plumbers, sparkies, home helps, cleaners etc.

Given that a fair proportion of cases and deaths occurred due to infections acquired in care homes and hospitals it seems common sense that all care home and hospital staff should be vaccinated and I wouldn't have a problem with mandatory vaccination for those jobs. There is already a precedent of vaccination for work as Armed Forces personnel are jabbed as necessary prior to overseas operations.

Personally, I don't want it but will probably have it if it means life can get back to normal, even if it doesn't prevent infection. I still think we shouldn't be relying on vaccination though when there are other prophylactic and immediate treatments in the pipeline for the UK (and already authorised in other countries) which will reduce the amount of virus floating about.

I think you make some good points here. Having the vaccine will be an 'insurance policy' and also give comfort to employers, colleagues, friends and family. It's the right way to go.

However, I agree with you that other 'treatments' are available long term and should not be forgotten. We all know the phrase 'underlying health conditions' and really it's not fair to expand on this as none of us know outside of our own circles what this actually means for those who have died. I do know though that many could shape up and improve their lifestyle - whether that be diet, exercise, smoking, stress levels (somewhat more difficult). HMG has poured billions into the economy and to the population in general in support.

As well as looking at other drug treatments which as you say are already out there but not mainstream in their use, perhaps HMG need a real root and branch look at the health of its people. On here, we've been banging on for years about food, its quality, where it's grown, how it's produced, how kids and parents are bombarded with convenience resulting in fat, sugar and plenty of calories but little nutrition.

The cynic in me says it will go back to the normal, normal eventually and nothing much will change but what a pity if the opportunity given from this wake-up call is ignored

HK

 

[Dry Rot]

The reaction to the jab could be down to several reasons.

Firstly, you've just stuck a metal object into a muscle. This causes pain and inflammation, the cells in the area release certain chemicals and the immune system migrates there even if no pathogen or autogenic agent is present.

Second, the vaccine will contain a number of compounds, the Pfizer one, in particular uses a lipid capsule the mRNA is encased in. Sure enough, this lipid may appear as 'foreign' to your body and your immune system will react to it- an allergic reaction.

The feeling rough and in particular, feeling hotter than usual is a classic part of your innate immune response and entirely normal. Raising the body's temperature has been a way of combating pathogens for eons.

You may take paracetamol or other painkillers if you so wish with minimal ill effect, the immune system will take several days to do anything with an antigen it has not yet encountered before.

Bugger! It seems my immune system isn't working because I didn't detect any reaction at all!

 

[ollie989898]

I think you make some good points here. Having the vaccine will be an 'insurance policy' and also give comfort to employers, colleagues, friends and family. It's the right way to go.

However, I agree with you that other 'treatments' are available long term and should not be forgotten. We all know the phrase 'underlying health conditions' and really it's not fair to expand on this as none of us know outside of our own circles what this actually means for those who have died. I do know though that many could shape up and improve their lifestyle - whether that be diet, exercise, smoking, stress levels (somewhat more difficult). HMG has poured billions into the economy and to the population in general in support.

As well as looking at other drug treatments which as you say are already out there but not mainstream in their use, perhaps HMG need a real root and branch look at the health of its people. On here, we've been banging on for years about food, its quality, where it's grown, how it's produced, how kids and parents are bombarded with convenience resulting in fat, sugar and plenty of calories but little nutrition.

The cynic in me says it will go back to the normal, normal eventually and nothing much will change but what a pity if the opportunity given from this wake-up call is ignored

HK

I am learning a great deal about the subject of therapeutic drugs for covid 19 and currently there are none that are guaranteed to work on a covid 19 patient. There aren't any that even promise to keep 75% of covid 19 patients alive as yet.

 

[ollie989898]

Bugger! It seems my immune system isn't working because I didn't detect any reaction at all!

Whilst it is possible that your immune system is not working properly, having a reaction or not is no reason to be worried. I just had a bit of a tender shoulder/deltoid for a bit, maybe 2 or 3 days.

 

[Robt]

Had mine three weeks ago. So in theory i should have a higher resilliance to Covid-19 now. It didnt hurt. I felt fine for a few hours immediatly after. About 6 hours after i got cold (not flu) like symptoms. So hot then cold, muscle aches. The worst was the upset stomach. So dont plan to go for a long drive!. I drank lots of water and took paracetemol. After 48hrs i was fine again. This was the Oxford AZ vaccine. All others i know that had it suffered the same.... The 35year old i met who died suffered quite alot more!. His family will suffer for years...
edit, someone mentioned ''long covid'' . I have a mate, 32 that has ME which is very simialr to long coivd in many ways. He has been pretty much house bound for 5 years and needs a mobility scooter.... Aged 32..... He was a very very talented sportsman before....
You would not want to get long covid!

 

[Robt]

I believe that about 20% of people who have the vaccine have a minor reaction as the body detects the product. It seems that the reactions are more pronounced in people who have already had an actual Covid infection, because the body recognises the vaccine much quicker.
'Minor reaction' usually means a slight lump or pain in the arm and/or flu-like symptoms that go away after 24 to 48 hours. This is best NOT treated by any painkiller such as aspirin, paracetamol or ibuprofen apparently, so as to maximise the vaccines potential efficacy over the 14 days necessary for it to be optimally effective, if you see what I mean. [There are probably much better ways of putting that].

The Nurse that did mine, said to take paracetemol?

 

[ollie989898]

The Nurse that did mine, said to take paracetemol?

Taking paracetemol etc is what the nurse told me to do too. People who are taking serious doses of serious steroids (which are known immunosuppressants) may have issues with the vaccine not working. A few ibuprofen won't change anything.

 

[Cowabunga]

The Nurse that did mine, said to take paracetemol?

You can take it, but as I understand it the reaction should not be damped down for maximum efficacy. The reaction, if any is a 'good thing' as long as it isn't a severe reaction, which usually happens in the first ten minutes and is unusual in anyone without a prior allergic reaction history.

 

[Robt]

Sorry but taking Paracetamol doesn’t dampen down reaction. It merely lowers your body temp and helps you cope. Where did you get your medical training from?

 

[Cowabunga]

Sorry but taking Paracetamol doesn’t dampen down reaction. It merely lowers your body temp and helps you cope. Where did you get your medical training from?

It is an analgesic but aspirin and ibuprofen are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.
I picked up that little tip from Dr John Campbell of YouTube fame. He is a superb educator, commentator and medical author.

 

[ollie989898]

It is an analgesic but aspirin and ibuprofen are non-steroidal anti-inflammatories.
I picked up that little tip from Dr John Campbell of YouTube fame. He is a superb educator, commentator and medical author.

You are gonna have to take doses of Ibuprofen/Aspirin around the clock to have any effect on your immune system- it's half life in plasma is very short.

Dexamethasone, by contrast, has a half life in excess of 36 hours. Steroidal drugs are known to have immunosuppressive effects.

 

[Gordy1]

Got my jab tomorrow but as they say the after effects will be nowhere near as bad as the Covid if caught......I hope!!!

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Got my jab tomorrow but as they say the after effects will be nowhere near as bad as the Covid if caught......I hope!!!

Me too, hope the forecast snow doesn't affect my journey.

 

[Gordy1]

Me too, hope the forecast snow doesn't affect my journey.

Good luck, hope you feel fine afterwards

 

[Dry Rot]

Can't say I noticed any symptoms post vaccination (aged 81). A lot of fuss about nothing...or a lot of whimps about.

 

[wdah/him]

i have had covid-tested positive anyway and had no symptoms apart from a cold, have a lingering cough but not bad, never lost appitiate, no fever/chills etc.

how do u expect me to react to the vacine as i got a call that it is availabel to me but will be next monthas need a month clear of covid

 

[primmiemoo]

i have had covid-tested positive anyway and had no symptoms apart from a cold, have a lingering cough but not bad, never lost appitiate, no fever/chills etc.

how do u expect me to react to the vacine as i got a call that it is availabel to me but will be next monthas need a month clear of covid

From what I've been told, the vaccination Team give info about any possible mild aftereffects when you're there.
What the people I know who've been jabbed have reported is, it's just as though you've had a jab .

In your case, your immune system has already had exposure in the wild, so to speak, so the vaccination is a way for it to learn some more about the virus in a safe environment, and be better prepared against any higher viral load that you could come across.