Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Cowabunga]

i have had covid-tested positive anyway and had no symptoms apart from a cold, have a lingering cough but not bad, never lost appitiate, no fever/chills etc.

how do u expect me to react to the vacine as i got a call that it is availabel to me but will be next monthas need a month clear of covid

I expect you to react like a man. Yes, leave the vaccination for between a month and six weeks after your covid positive test and regard the single dose you now need as your booster. I believe the US has already decided that previously infected people should only need one vaccination to boost their immunity.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Well, been there, done that. We had to go to Nefyn, 20 miles away at the big health centre there. It was a totally smooth operation. Two policemen with about 10 assistants managing the traffic one way system, then escorted into the building and handed off to the internal staff. Shown to the correct vacc room, 8 of them, where there was one for the paperwork and one for the jabbing, both doing their jobs simultaneously, jab, jab for the 2 of us then escorted out and handed off to the next escort to the waiting room where we sat for 15 minutes. The lady there checked the time written on our paperwork and told us to leave when the time was up. Out the door and then handed off from one assistant to the next still in the one way system until we got back to the car park. It couldn't have been a more polished operation.
On the way home, Tudur Owen on Radio Cymru read out a shout from a listener for all the staff at Ty Doctor, Nefyn and their good work, so it isn't only me that was impressed.

 

[Princess Pooper]

You are gonna have to take doses of Ibuprofen/Aspirin around the clock to have any effect on your immune system- it's half life in plasma is very short.

Dexamethasone, by contrast, has a half life in excess of 36 hours. Steroidal drugs are known to have immunosuppressive effects.

A lot of people can't take ibuoprfen or aspirin. Most can take paracetamol. so as a 'blanket recommendation' in a mass vaccination then paracetamol is a pretty safe recommendation (I was also told to take paracetamol if I needed something after my jab- but I didn't feel crook enough to need anything.

 

[Clive]

What are the rules concerning covid jab? Is it compulsory?
I have fear of needles
With the mutation of virus it looks like having vaccine will be regular occurrence , sooner
or later I believe things will go wrong

i imagine its less painfully than drowning in your own flem whilst not being able to breath ?

regular vaccination is a fact of life now, get it done

 

[Gruber]

If folks want to go anywhere, do anything, then getting the vaccine will be the new normal, already going to trial if it's safe to give to the children then it's a vaccine passport for all.

 

[Cowabunga]

I hate to rain on a parade and I absolutely believe in vaccinating. However, the current vaccines are already showing less efficacy against at least one covid variant so therefore I suspect that the expectation that everything will be OK by this Summer is being overly optimistic.
It will take the next generation of modified vaccines to provide the safety and security the world requires to get back to something approaching normality. The danger is that people get overconfident and complacent, lowering their guard before it becomes safe to do so. These are already in development but will only become available by late Autumn and will require everyone to be vaccinated yet again.

Do not place bets on any large gatherings being either safe or allowed during 2021 regardless of the current vaccines. However, there is no doubt that certain restrictions will be lifted, as they were last Summer, facilitated by the vaccine and the balance of risk of rising illness and deaths verses the economy, jobs, mental health, education and so on.

The balace can be tipped towards normality as modified booster vaccines and effective other prophylactics and treatments become generally proven effective and applied. At which point the covid can be seen as a more serious flu that takes some ten thousand lives annually, like the flu that we live with year in and year out.

The point being that there’s a long way to go yet.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

However, the current vaccines are already showing less efficacy against at least one covid variant so therefore I suspect that the expectation that everything will be OK by this Summer is being overly optimistic.

Have you got any proof for that statement?

A link to any scientific data or research or is it your hunch/opinion?

 

[Gordy1]

Well, been there, done that. We had to go to Nefyn, 20 miles away at the big health centre there. It was a totally smooth operation. Two policemen with about 10 assistants managing the traffic one way system, then escorted into the building and handed off to the internal staff. Shown to the correct vacc room, 8 of them, where there was one for the paperwork and one for the jabbing, both doing their jobs simultaneously, jab, jab for the 2 of us then escorted out and handed off to the next escort to the waiting room where we sat for 15 minutes. The lady there checked the time written on our paperwork and told us to leave when the time was up. Out the door and then handed off from one assistant to the next still in the one way system until we got back to the car park. It couldn't have been a more polished operation.
On the way home, Tudur Owen on Radio Cymru read out a shout from a listener for all the staff at Ty Doctor, Nefyn and their good work, so it isn't only me that was impressed.

Had mine yesterday morning & same as you very well organised one way in one way out couldn’t have been easier didn’t have to go to the rest area they just showed me the exit, a hell of a lot quicker than the flu Jab, mrs G waited in the car park & I was out before she could get on with her knitting!!!, no side effects this morning little bit of back ache & mild head ache so far but probably would have had that anyway.......now looking forward to the next jab.

 

[Cowabunga]

Have you got any proof for that statement?

A link to any scientific data or research or is it your hunch/opinion?

Try looking for yourself. That statement alone is absolutely simple and not prone to misinterpretation and needs no further explanation.

It is all over the News media that the Oxford vaccine in particular is not very effective against the South African variant, and it is not known for sure how effective the others are either. It is accepted as being inevitable that the virus will further develop and it is quite possible that it will become more lethal. It is just as likely to become more lethal than to become less so.

Very urgent action is being taken to try to isolate the SA variant and the shut-down is now more comprehensive than ever due to it, including statutory isolation at traveller’s expense for flyers from many destinations. Perhaps you had not noticed?

 

[startinghandle]

i imagine its less painfully than downing in your own flem whilst not being able to breath ?

regular vaccination is a fact of life now, get it done

Good point thanks

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Had mine yesterday morning & same as you very well organised one way in one way out couldn’t have been easier didn’t have to go to the rest area they just showed me the exit, a hell of a lot quicker than the flu Jab, mrs G waited in the car park & I was out before she could get on with her knitting!!!, no side effects this morning little bit of back ache & mild head ache so far but probably would have had that anyway.......now looking forward to the next jab.

Interesting that they didn't enforce the 15 minutes with you. One person tried to bypass it and was discouraged quite forcibly from doing so.
On automatic pilot from my blood donor sessions, I left my coat off as they like to see the extraction site visible while you have your tea and biscuit. The waiting room attendant told me to put my coat on before I got cold, when I realised it wasn't the same thing.

 

[DRC]

Interesting that they didn't enforce the 15 minutes with you. One person tried to bypass it and was discouraged quite forcibly from doing so.
On automatic pilot from my blood donor sessions, I left my coat off as they like to see the extraction site visible while you have your tea and biscuit. The waiting room attendant told me to put my coat on before I got cold, when I realised it wasn't the same thing.

I was given the choice of waiting 15 mins inside the building or in my car . Most people went back to their cars, waited a few mins and drove off. They said your not covered by insurance for 15 mins, which was something I hadn’t heard before .

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Try looking for yourself. That statement alone is absolutely simple and not prone to misinterpretation and needs no further explanation.

It is all over the News media that the Oxford vaccine in particular is not very effective against the South African variant, and it is not known for sure how effective the others are either. It is accepted as being inevitable that the virus will further develop and it is quite possible that it will become more lethal. It is just as likely to become more lethal than to become less so.

Very urgent action is being taken to try to isolate the SA variant and the shut-down is now more comprehensive than ever due to it, including statutory isolation at traveller’s expense for flyers from many destinations. Perhaps you had not noticed?

Despite your longwinded reply, you have no statistical or scientific proof to back up your claims ‘except it’s all over the media that one vaccine is less effective against the SA mutation’

So, in effect you are like the media spreading unfounded drivel

Simple facts are that nobody really knows whether it is still effective, more effective or less effective as the science hasn’t proven it one way or the other (as yet)

I am surprised as I thought you were a man of facts....not myth, conjecture or hearsay

 

[primmiemoo]

The sample of people in the AZ trial against the SA variant was small, and they were younger than those being prioritised for vaccination at the moment, so there's no like-for-like comparison to be drawn. Prof Jonathan Van-Tam knocked that media/antivaxxer myth about the AZ jab on the head very recently in his TV and radio interviews.

I see on BBC red button that the AZ vaccine is being trialled in children from 6-16 yo, to see what benefits there are in vaccinating the under 17s.
(That's going to be another area the Theys (antivaxxers) won't be able to manipulate for their own ends, neither.)

 

[Welly Warmer]

British Heart Foundation, - neither govt. agency nor "main stream media" :

Is the Oxford vaccine effective against the South African strain of Covid?
A small study of 2,000 people in South Africa has shown that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine offers minimal protection against mild cases of the South African variant.

The study, which was based people of an average age of 31, shows that protection may be as low as 10%. The research wasn’t able to determine whether it protects against serious illness or hospitalisation, because this group of people were at low risk of serious illness...

 

[Welly Warmer]

Apologies .
Source

Covid and your heart

Get the latest coronavirus updates from our experts, including what Covid-19 means for you if you have a heart or circulatory condition.

www.bhf.org.uk

 

[Johnnyboxer]

The sample of people in the AZ trial against the SA variant was small, and they were younger than those being prioritised for vaccination at the moment, so there's no like-for-like comparison to be drawn. Prof Jonathan Van-Tam knocked that media/antivaxxer myth about the AZ jab on the head very recently in his TV and radio interviews.

I see on BBC red button that the AZ vaccine is being trialled in children from 6-16 yo, to see what benefits there are in vaccinating the under 17s.
(That's going to be another area the Theys (antivaxxers) won't be able to manipulate for their own ends, neither.)

JVT is very good and hence my questioning

 

[Johnnyboxer]

British Heart Foundation, - neither govt. agency nor "main stream media" :

Is the Oxford vaccine effective against the South African strain of Covid?
A small study of 2,000 people in South Africa has shown that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine offers minimal protection against mild cases of the South African variant.

The study, which was based people of an average age of 31, shows that protection may be as low as 10%. The research wasn’t able to determine whether it protects against serious illness or hospitalisation, because this group of people were at low risk of serious illness...

Thank you
No mention of their ethnicity though
BAME are more susceptible to a worse outcome from contracting Covid

 

[Cowabunga]

Despite your longwinded reply, you have no statistical or scientific proof to back up your claims ‘except it’s all over the media that one vaccine is less effective against the SA mutation’

So, in effect you are like the media spreading unfounded drivel

Simple facts are that nobody really knows whether it is still effective, more effective or less effective as the science hasn’t proven it one way or the other (as yet)

I am surprised as I thought you were a man of facts....not myth, conjecture or hearsay

It is a fact. The Oxford vaccine is only around 20% effective against the S African variant in tests done so far. You are making a fool of yourself by denying this. What they do not know is whether it is effective in mitigating severe disease and hospitalisation in those it fails to protect from actual infection.
If you want certainties about any absolute figures about an evolving viral disease, you on a hiding to nothing.

 

[Cowabunga]

Thank you
No mention of their ethnicity though
BAME are more susceptible to a worse outcome from contracting Covid

According to the study it gives 'minimal protection', which has nothing to do with ethnicity.
One has to wonder just why you were unable to find this out for yourself and why you were so vehemently opposed to me saying this, yet were presumably too lazy or incapable of finding a commonly known fact?