Covid jab - is it compulsory?

[Johnnyboxer]

According to the study it gives 'minimal protection', which has nothing to do with ethnicity.
One has to wonder just why you were unable to find this out for yourself and why you were so vehemently opposed to me saying this, yet were presumably too lazy or incapable of finding a commonly known fact?

No I can find it, of course

It was a small study and of course ethnicity matters, as different races have slightly different genetics

Just challenging your sweeping statements that you make on a regular basis

 

[Cowabunga]

No I can find it, of course

It was a small study and of course ethnicity matters, as different races have slightly different genetics

Just challenging your sweeping statements that you make on a regular basis

The vaccine protects from the virus and its efficacy against the virus will be the same no matter what the ethnicity of the person. How severely that person is likely to suffer from the virus is another matter entirely.
It was not a sweeping statement. It was quite specific and one you obviously could not be bothered or were not capable of verifying despite it being very very simple to do so.

 

[vantage]

Even ebola did.

Nope, it’s back again. Reported on BBC website yesterday.

 

[ollie989898]

Nope, it’s back again. Reported on BBC website yesterday.

I saw that. I mean that it 'disappeared' from people but being a virus it may remain indefinitely in a reservoir that is not human.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Even ebola did.

There are currently at least 3 countries with ongoing Ebola outbreaks...

[Edit: Reminder to read the full 8 pages before quoting a post from the first page...]

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Like some of the above, I absolutely hate injections of any sort.

However, I want to fly abroad next year so I'll have to have it sooner or later.

I'll tell them to wait till I faint, then they can jab me all they like.

 

[Breakthru]

No I can find it, of course

It was a small study and of course ethnicity matters, as different races have slightly different genetics

Just challenging your sweeping statements that you make on a regular basis

Definite differences in ethnicity. Here is one for you a friend who was infected with new variant along with other pub goers before Xmas and with those infected family friends and in laws etc at Xmas. Created our own local pandemic. All friends and relatives with red hair didn't get it. That includes his wife who is auburn who tested negative twice and also showed no antibodies who looked after them all so was subject to high infection loading.
Any other Celts like to comment. I reckoned I had it last year and so missed it this time but interested in any comments from others with red hair or those that know them.

 

[Cowabunga]

Definite differences in ethnicity. Here is one for you a friend who was infected with new variant along with other pub goers before Xmas and with those infected family friends and in laws etc at Xmas. Created our own local pandemic. All friends and relatives with red hair didn't get it. That includes his wife who is auburn who tested negative twice and also showed no antibodies who looked after them all so was subject to high infection loading.
Any other Celts like to comment. I reckoned I had it last year and so missed it this time but interested in any comments from others with red hair or those that know them.

it may well be, but the point was that the vaccine attacks the virus and is oblivious to the host's ethnicity, hair colour or natural immunity, or otherwise.
It is probable that the vaccine will not take in every person vaccinated. It is said that some of these vaccines are, say, '90% effective'. I've seen no real explanation of whether that means it is effective 100% in 90% of people or whether it is 90% effective in 100% of people. Somehow I suspect it is the first or a mix of both [whatever that means].

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Definite differences in ethnicity. Here is one for you a friend who was infected with new variant along with other pub goers before Xmas and with those infected family friends and in laws etc at Xmas. Created our own local pandemic. All friends and relatives with red hair didn't get it. That includes his wife who is auburn who tested negative twice and also showed no antibodies who looked after them all so was subject to high infection loading.
Any other Celts like to comment. I reckoned I had it last year and so missed it this time but interested in any comments from others with red hair or those that know them.

It’s a bit weird isn’t it, the transmission etc

A white & dark hair friend early 50’s had it in early November(tested positive) - not hospitalised though, but rough and has taken him 3 months

His wife also white, didn’t test positive and never got it, despite sharing the same bed, before his tested positive (and he went to spare room & house deep cleaned) nor did their 2 teenage boys

 

[Breakthru]

It’s a bit weird isn’t it, the transmission etc

A white & dark hair friend early 50’s had it in early November(tested positive) - not hospitalised though, but rough and has taken him 3 months

His wife also white, didn’t test positive and never got it, despite sharing the same bed, before his tested positive (and he went to spare room & house deep cleaned) nor did their 2 teenage boys

Which variant? The first one round here was only a fraction as infective as the second one which appeared here late December. Guy working in a Kent variant area came back and infected half the town. Previous to that only odd numbers and little hot spots till then. I had it last March my friend who I have very close contact with didn't but he got the second one and I looked after him before he was hospitalised but never got it again. Supposedly my immunity should have been gone by then but who knows. Immunity or red hair your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Barleymow]

I had the vaccination recently and hardly felt a thing. I was advised to sit in the car for 15 minutes after but no symptoms so waited five minutes and then drove home. If we want to rid the planet of this scourge, it's crazy not to take it. If not for ourselves then for the rest of humanity.

Had mine on monday sat in the van as told too wait every one else just drove off so did after 10 mins

 

[Cowabunga]

Don't be over confident after having the jab. It doesn't work at all for the first ten days but then ramps up to optimum protection from day ten to day twenty. Even so you can still catch the lurgy and spread it, but you should only have a mild infection, unless you are one of the unlucky 10% that don't get any protection from the vaccine.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Don't be over confident after having the jab. It doesn't work at all for the first ten days but then ramps up to optimum protection from day ten to day twenty. Even so you can still catch the lurgy and spread it, but you should only have a mild infection, unless you are one of the unlucky 10% that don't get any protection from the vaccine.

I thought the latest data from this week shows a reduced transmission in the community?

Seems deaths and hospitalisation for o80’s (first group to be vaccinated) was reduced, by up to 54% according to a report on the BBC news I watched

 

[Cowabunga]

I thought the latest data from this week shows a reduced transmission in the community?

Seems deaths and hospitalisation for o80’s (first group to be vaccinated) was reduced, by up to 54% according to a report on the BBC news I watched

There has been and continues to be a lock-down. Also most people in homes and the very elderly have been vaccinated for over 20 days and the number grows daily. Although vaccinated people can catch the virus and transmit it, the chances are reduced dramatically, but far from zero.

 

[Dry Rot]

I heard a snip on the radio with half an ear the other day that C-19 is transmitted in water droplets or aerosols carried in the air. This comes as no great surprise to me. What does worry me is the widespread belief that keeping 2m apart makes infection impossible, let alone the belief that wearing a mask out of doors is unnecessary.

I've been breeding, training, and working gundogs for over 50 years and the distance a dog can scent a game bird is truly phenomenal. If dogs can detect scent at dozens of yards, droplets are carried in the air over a similar distance, probably a lot further. Are these scientists really trying to tell me that the C-19 virus can't travel or survive more than 2m, even in a stiff breeze when conditions are ideal? Even without the virus, I prefer to stay as far away from my fellow humans as possible and I have very little faith in that flimsy face mask that many don't use properly anyway! If you want to avoid the virus, the only 100% safe way is to avoid your fellow humans!

 

[Johnnyboxer]

There has been and continues to be a lock-down. Also most people in homes and the very elderly have been vaccinated for over 20 days and the number grows daily. Although vaccinated people can catch the virus and transmit it, the chances are reduced dramatically, but far from zero.

On bbc now
Care home and o80’s deaths are down 60% over last 3 weeks
Some virologists discussing who are better informed/more knowledgeable than me or you

Mirrors what is happening in Israel too & results are similar for both countries

Most o80’s have been done between 30-60 days now (my Mum is over 60 days vaccinated)

They are saying that vaccinated people have a very, very small chance of transmission to others, should they get it

As you say we still to carry on with hands - face - space initiative

 

[Johnnyboxer]

I heard a snip on the radio with half an ear the other day that C-19 is transmitted in water droplets or aerosols carried in the air. This comes as no great surprise to me. What does worry me is the widespread belief that keeping 2m apart makes infection impossible, let alone the belief that wearing a mask out of doors is unnecessary.

I've been breeding, training, and working gundogs for over 50 years and the distance a dog can scent a game bird is truly phenomenal. If dogs can detect scent at dozens of yards, droplets are carried in the air over a similar distance, probably a lot further. Are these scientists really trying to tell me that the C-19 virus can't travel or survive more than 2m, even in a stiff breeze when conditions are ideal? Even without the virus, I prefer to stay as far away from my fellow humans as possible and I have very little faith in that flimsy face mask that many don't use properly anyway! If you want to avoid the virus, the only 100% safe way is to avoid your fellow humans!

Good advice

 

[puppet]

Avoidance is the solution and if everyone just stayed in their bedroom for 3 weeks then Covid would be gone. Obviously if you get ill, your heating fails or electricity goes off you will just have to tough it out for the greater good.
However, unlike rural Highlands, some people live closer to others and have to go out to work so 2m is pretty safe to carry droplets of virus. The aerosol is partly why pubs are shut as the longer in that air space the higher the risk.
So isolation, wind and rain is good for you.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Back to Nefyn for our boosters today (post 122). Again a polished operation but not quite so busy as in the Spring.
I took my coat off and then put it on again, didn't have time to put it down on a chair. I reckon, if it wasn't for the 10 min wait period, these vaccinators could push us through as fast as me doing 7 in 1.

 

[Lincs Lass]

Back to Nefyn for our boosters today (post 122). Again a polished operation but not quite so busy as in the Spring.
I took my coat off and then put it on again, didn't have time to put it down on a chair. I reckon, if it wasn't for the 10 min wait period, these vaccinators could push us through as fast as me doing 7 in 1.

My 82 yr old nieghbor went this morning for her booster and on the way home ,got her her flue jap at the surgery ,,now shes in bed ,shivering cold ,sweating ,the heating turned up and an electric blanket over here and she cant get warm ,,her daughter is with her just incase .