Cultivator to move whole surface for weed control

[Wigeon]

What do the collective brains think would be a good machine for these criteria:

Fast and shallow weed control following conventional non inversion tillage that has been left fairly tight to get weeds to grow. Strong land with flints.

Must move whole surface, but as shallow as possible.

No consolidation afterwards

Leaves level finish for the drill

Pulled by max 200hp (chipped jd7530) with some hills.

Good trash flow as all straw chopped and incorporated.

Any ideas?

Horsch terrano fx with 12 inch wings run v shallow?

Vaderstad nz- with goose feet. Looks pretty busy to me.

Kongskilde kkk: ditto.

Dalbo cultimax

Ideally trailed for better depth control I think.

Basically a metal glyphosate is what im after!

TIA

 

[Jerry]

How about one of these:

 

[Lincs Lass]

Horsch Joker ,5 mtr trailed ,landlord uses one behind a JD 4755 ,faster you go ,the better job it makes

 

[teslacoils]

Why no consolidation?

 

[Wigeon]

Don't want to grow any more weeds than necessary. Nothing gets the weeds growing better than the rolls in my experience, so want to use this to weed, then drill with min disturbance. That's the theory anyway!

 

[David.]

Isn't it better to grow the weedbank out with a few quick passes, than leave them to come up in the crop?

 

[yellow belly]

what drill will be used after
tines or discs or both

currently I use glyphosate after drilling to do this job and a disc drill

without glyphosate or any chemical control moving soil leaves the straw and stubble loose which then hinders drill coulters or deep cultivations to bury the stubble reduce worm and soil surface organsims and multiply cost several times

when we burnt straw a very light spring tine half and inch deep incorporated the ash and a sufolk hoe accord drill had no problem
but this sort of kit could not work with any stubble or straw
the big down side was straw burning starved the worms

this year we have established stewardship strips with a power harrow working shallowly but this cannot work when the soil is too moist 2 week without rain is ideal

thinking forward if glyphosate is banned with no replacement then 3 or 4 rows of discs would be a shallow machine
standard disc machines working an inch deep do not move all the soil and leave to many weed with their roots especially if it is not bone dry (minimum 2 weeks dry and hot )

 

[D14]

What do the collective brains think would be a good machine for these criteria:

Fast and shallow weed control following conventional non inversion tillage that has been left fairly tight to get weeds to grow. Strong land with flints.

Must move whole surface, but as shallow as possible.

No consolidation afterwards

Leaves level finish for the drill

Pulled by max 200hp (chipped jd7530) with some hills.

Good trash flow as all straw chopped and incorporated.

Any ideas?

Horsch terrano fx with 12 inch wings run v shallow?

Vaderstad nz- with goose feet. Looks pretty busy to me.

Kongskilde kkk: ditto.

Dalbo cultimax

Ideally trailed for better depth control I think.

Basically a metal glyphosate is what im after!

TIA

The only thing that’s precise would be from Cousins. All the other options won’t give precise depth control as shallow depths.

 

[teslacoils]

Don't want to grow any more weeds than necessary. Nothing gets the weeds growing better than the rolls in my experience, so want to use this to weed, then drill with min disturbance. That's the theory anyway!

So, you want to cultivate the whole area Infront of the drill, but also not disturb it? I am confused. How can you move the whole surface for weed control and drill without that being a lot of disturbance?

My plan is to work the top with a carrier a couple of times, roll it twice. Leave it be. I'm going to experiment with liquid N through a flat fan to burn off the rubbish and just glypho once.

For a light, shallow cultivation with no packer you want a cheap marstig tyned cultivator.

 

[Wigeon]

Sorry, should have explained it better-

I basically want to prepare a seed bed using non inversion tillage - solo/cultipress/ +- top tilth.

Then whip over it with this machine as a hoe.

Then drill it with "minimal" disturbance. None of the above actually move all of the surface, apart from the solo, which isn't the tool for the job.

 

[Wigeon]

Isn't it better to grow the weedbank out with a few quick passes, than leave them to come up in the crop?

Probably, but if the drill isn't going to do a 100% weeding job itself, then something before it that does the job will be needed I reckon.

 

[teslacoils]

I'm not sure it will work out for you but a multirow tuned job like a marstig will certainly move a lot, and shallow, and will sort of boil any weeds onto the top to dry and die. Cheap gate filler if it doesn't work.

Personally, I'd still be on the "make the fine seedbed asap" and glypho pre or post drilling.

 

[Rob Holmes]

 

[Wigeon]

I'm not sure it will work out for you but a multirow tuned job like a marstig will certainly move a lot, and shallow, and will sort of boil any weeds onto the top to dry and die. Cheap gate filler if it doesn't work.

Personally, I'd still be on the "make the fine seedbed asap" and glypho pre or post drilling.

Thanks - agree re seedbed. This is however a thinly veiled organic conversion fact finding mission...

I know what works to get a seed bed most autumns, and then just spray off what comes pre drilling. This machine is to replace that spray.

 

[Matt77]

I can’t remember the name of it but few years ago lemken pushed a disc machine that moved 100% of the width and apparently could be very accurately held at 25mm depth, apparently, but it did have a double press as it’s depth control so maybe not what you’re after, all I remember was the discs are massive and the field demo I went to it was on a quadtrac and I could feel the field bounce as it all went pass!

 

[GeorgeK]

Vaderstad have their CrossCutter disc, looks great I think @Clive has one

 

[MrNoo]

I have been pondering the same issue when glypho gets banned and reckoned a Carrier would be the tool of choice, min till then let green up, carrier as many times as you can pre drilling. Surely better to get as many weeds to chit pre drilling, as no matter how low a disturbance the drill is, it will cause a flush.

 

[Bob lincs]

What do the collective brains think would be a good machine for these criteria:

Fast and shallow weed control following conventional non inversion tillage that has been left fairly tight to get weeds to grow. Strong land with flints.

Must move whole surface, but as shallow as possible.

No consolidation afterwards

Leaves level finish for the drill

Pulled by max 200hp (chipped jd7530) with some hills.

Good trash flow as all straw chopped and incorporated.

Any ideas?

Horsch terrano fx with 12 inch wings run v shallow?

Vaderstad nz- with goose feet. Looks pretty busy to me.

Kongskilde kkk: ditto.

Dalbo cultimax

Ideally trailed for better depth control I think.

Basically a metal glyphosate is what im after!

TIA

Knockerling vario .

 

[Brisel]

Skh Crumbler


Bomford Dynadrive

For good depth control you'd want a more modern Dynadrive with a packer on the back or fit wheels to the front.

A straw rake might not be enough & will need repeated passes to move enough. How about a Mzuri Rezult?

 

[hollister]

Kelly Harrow?