Dairy supply, to much milk.

[Cowabunga]

Latte is all milk I believe.
Coffee at home would have a thimble full

Really? I use a great dollop of milk in my coffee. A spoonful of instant, about 75% water topped off with 25% milk. Sometimes use 100% milk but that is nothing whatsoever like the watered down latte I universally have when buying retail at a caffe or restaurant.
But then, I get full fat fresh milk at cost price.

 

[Northern territory]

Funny old world isn’t it. Does anyone have any idea the time frame of which all this produce made it’s way into catering, fast food, restaurants. Probably last 30 years? Certainly fudged the job up completely.

 

[bitwrx]

We feed liquid co products to our finisher pigs. The supply of whey/whey permeate had dried up, but for the first time I know of, we're expecting a tanker load of skimmed milk to turn up anytime soon.

Make of that what you will...

 

[Cowabunga]

Funny old world isn’t it. Does anyone have any idea the time frame of which all this produce made it’s way into catering, fast food, restaurants. Probably last 30 years? Certainly fudged the job up completely.

The problem is not as you think. The main issue is the extremely low margins dictated on processors by the supermarkets that have forced the processors to be ultra efficient with full utilisation of their plant. There is no margin for extra processing at any particular plant, so the disruption of demand for one particular market, produced at specific plants, leaves a high proportion of that milk, which is a substantial quantity, unable to find a home. Especially during the months of peak production anyway, which are April May and June in the UK. It doesn't help there being the fairly recent trend towards massive herds of Spring calvers expanding the peak upwards.

 

[Highland Mule]

I don’t cook with butter at home, but would frequently have an Indian takeaway made with copious quantities of Ghee. Multiply that by 60million and you have what we see.

 

[Hindsight]

Demand must be about the same . Just distribution is messed up ,
We are using 4 times the milk we did as all the family is home

We haven't changed at home but my wife and daughter are consuming less (No) Latte in Starbucks and Costa. So less milk and not from retail outlets. You need to get a balanced view, rather than your on family experience.

 

[Hindsight]

I don't believe it. What have all the millions of people stuck at home to do apart from drinking coffee? Unless they are young and shacked up with a randy lover of course. But still, a coffee afterwards, every time, [without the traditional cigarette] must still count. It all takes milk and it supplies all the calcium and energy needed for quarantine.

No. My wife and daughter a Latte consumers but in reality they are consumers of Costa and Starbucks lifestyle. Thus not even thought of Latte at home. So our home consumption of milk is same as before. Bit probably 6 large Lattes a week not consumed. Hey ho. Anyway our problem is not milk but no chips being bought - thus in my part of the world we are facing ruin because of sheds full of non saleable potatoes. Chinese virus got a lot to answer for. Hope those bats were tasty.

 

[yellow belly]

I am currently in the tractor every day 14 days so far
when in the office I make coffee from a mug of milk 2 mins in the microwave add the coffee

when I was a kid we had cows and mother booked a pan of milk for coffee at 11 am every day

 

[vantage]

Latte is all milk I believe.
Coffee at home would have a thimble full

I bet you’d be surprised how little milk there is in a latte, it’s frothed up by steam. I’ve observed it many times when waiting at a M&S food till.

 

[upnortheast]

I bet you’d be surprised how little milk there is in a latte, it’s frothed up by steam. I’ve observed it many times when waiting at a M&S food till

Coffee shops (were) one of our biggest customers. Even a small coffee shop gets through "£100 worth of milk a week. Thanks to lattes.. If you drive through any town or city you see how many coffee outlets there are.
It`s a massive market

 

[Tarw Coch]

I don’t cook with butter at home, but would frequently have an Indian takeaway made with copious quantities of Ghee. Multiply that by 60million and you have what we see.

Surely your maths is out there, i have only had 2 Indian takeaways in my life as I recall and certainly not 10 times that number in a restaurant, my parents have never had an Indian meal in their lives, I’m sure we’re not the only ones.

 

[Tarw Coch]

is it any different to the old quota days? many a year we had to get rid of extra milk or skim the cream to lower the butterfat the last month of the year

One big differencethere, you knew what your allocated quota was at the start of the year and even had options to buy or lease extra so throwing milk away at the end of the quota year was an issue of longer term planning, this has come up all of a sudden.
It is little over a week since Muller announced a 1p increase due to increased demand, I presume they didn’t see the problems that were to unfold within days as they didn’t issue any warnings about not being able to cope with extra milk at a time when seasonal millk yield is rising as cows go out to grass so they ought to have been expecting an increase in supply.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

The problem is not as you think. The main issue is the extremely low margins dictated on processors by the supermarkets that have forced the processors to be ultra efficient with full utilisation of their plant. There is no margin for extra processing at any particular plant, so the disruption of demand for one particular market, produced at specific plants, leaves a high proportion of that milk, which is a substantial quantity, unable to find a home. Especially during the months of peak production anyway, which are April May and June in the UK. It doesn't help there being the fairly recent trend towards massive herds of Spring calvers expanding the peak upwards.

Big expansion of dairy in Ceredigion atm

 

[jondear]

not quite that simple! TB restrictions for one, we are even buying pasteurised milk not drinking our own, due to TB.

Never stopped us!

 

[jendan]

Coffee shops (were) one of our biggest customers. Even a small coffee shop gets through "£100 worth of milk a week. Thanks to lattes.. If you drive through any town or city you see how many coffee outlets there are.
It`s a massive market

How is this CV affecting your business?

 

[Martin Holden]

I bet you’d be surprised how little milk there is in a latte, it’s frothed up by steam. I’ve observed it many times when waiting at a M&S food till.

There’s the answer. Steamed up milk which makes it go further. You are paying for the cup, the coffee and some froth and the public lap it up!! An idea for city dwellers coming out of lockdown could be walking or cycling only and no cars. That would please the cycle manufactures - oh and thieves!!!

 

[Cowabunga]

Big expansion of dairy in Ceredigion atm

Big contraction may follow.

 

[Dragon]

I bet you’d be surprised how little milk there is in a latte, it’s frothed up by steam. I’ve observed it many times when waiting at a M&S food till.

I agree.
cheapest ingredient in in coffee is the tap water.

 

[upnortheast]

How is this CV affecting your business?

Lost around 60% of our customers 2 weeks ago.
However village shops, butchers & farm shops have had big increases. Also some customers have reinvented themselves, delivering goody boxes.
So doing similar amounts of whole & semi. Increase in skim sales & little pots of cream. Huge drop in sales of 2 litre bottles of cream. ( If you are a butcher that`s the fillet steaks )
Overall running about 15% down ££. Drop in fuel price has made a noticable difference to delivery costs
So considering the circumstances not too bad.

 

[ollie989898]

We feed liquid co products to our finisher pigs. The supply of whey/whey permeate had dried up, but for the first time I know of, we're expecting a tanker load of skimmed milk to turn up anytime soon.

Make of that what you will...

They have taken the cream off and dumping the rest.