Disgusting (graphic images) Sheep Worrying.

[yellowbelly]

What possible reason did the police give for not prosecuting?

The officer that came to interview me said, even though he realised the seriousness of the situation,they prefered not to jam up the courts(which are already overloaded) with something that could be settled out of court.
After initially telling the dog owner I would prosecute him if the police didn't, I agreed not to as long as he had the dog destroyed and stood the full cost of losses -I figured that was the best I could achieve anyway. Could have ended up going to court, incurring big costs and some smart @rse lawyer getting him off on a technicality.

 

[Yale]

If this guy doesn't fully compensate the farmer for the dead sheep I would be sending 'the boys' in to finish the job properly.

Would be an extra expense but would mean he would get the message.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

If the police/CPS chose not to prosecute this person would it be possible for us on TFF to"crowd fund" a private prosecution? I'd happily contribute £100.

He deserves a criminal record and full press publicity. With any luck the animal rights crowd would take it up as well.

 

[unlacedgecko]

If the police/CPS chose not to prosecute this person would it be possible for us on TFF to"crowd fund" a private prosecution? I'd happily contribute £100.

He deserves a criminal record and full press publicity. With any luck the animal rights crowd would take it up as well.

I agree with every thing but the animal rights bit.

 

[Philip Watkins]

Malinois by the look of them. Not German Shepherds, but a different type of continental herder.

I believe Malinois are also known as Belgian Shepherds (as trained by @Dry Rot ).

 

[Dry Rot]

I believe Malinois are also known as Belgian Shepherds (as trained by @Dry Rot ).

Ignorance about dogs and dog training is at an all time low here in the UK and that is the problem. The sheep worry is horrific and shouldn't happen. But dogs are now child substitutes to many people and they simply don't know how to handle them, nor will they listen to advice come to that.

A dog is no different to a gun, a car, or a chain saw. All are dangerous in the wrong hands and when out of control.

My dogs are very well trained, under perfect control, and are never out of the kennel unless they are under my direct supervision. I have trained A LOT of working dogs in the last 60 years -- and, what is more, I can prove it!

I have working line GSDs -- not Mailinois which are considered more hyper -- and got them when I gave up gundogs as they were one breed I had not trained. I am also a pensioner, living alone in a fairly isolated location, and don't want to end up like Tony Martin! I bred pedigree sheep for many years so I understand that side of it too.

Below are some of my working English pointers and English setters when I bred/trained gundogs. Sorry about the quality but it is a frame grab from video. There are more out of frame, total about 35. The video created something of a sensation at the time.

 

[lim x]

Ignorance about dogs and dog training is at an all time low here in the UK and that is the problem. The sheep worry is horrific and shouldn't happen. But dogs are now child substitutes to many people and they simply don't know how to handle them, nor will they listen to advice come to that.

A dog is no different to a gun, a car, or a chain saw. All are dangerous in the wrong hands and when out of control.

My dogs are very well trained, under perfect control, and are never out of the kennel unless they are under my direct supervision. I have trained A LOT of working dogs in the last 60 years -- and, what is more, I can prove it!

I have working line GSDs -- not Mailinois which are considered more hyper -- and got them when I gave up gundogs as they were one breed I had not trained. I am also a pensioner, living alone in a fairly isolated location, and don't want to end up like Tony Martin! I bred pedigree sheep for many years so I understand that side of it too.

Below are some of my working English pointers and English setters when I bred/trained gundogs. Sorry about the quality but it is a frame grab from video. There are more out of frame, total about 35. The video created something of a sensation at the time.

Would love to see your video.

 

[Philip Watkins]

.....
I have working line GSDs -- not Mailinois .......

I knew you were training but thought you had Mallinois rather than GSD, my mistake.

 

[lim x]

If the police/CPS chose not to prosecute this person would it be possible for us on TFF to"crowd fund" a private prosecution? I'd happily contribute £100.

He deserves a criminal record and full press publicity. With any luck the animal rights crowd would take it up as well.

I'd be happy to match your £100 and if its not needed for prosecution the lad can put it towards some more sheep.

 

[Tim W]

I'd be happy to match your £100 and if its not needed for prosecution the lad can put it towards some more sheep.

There's £100 from me too if needed

 

[Niall7]

I can remember dogs going after my fathers sheep about 30 years ago. It resulted in 8 dogs shot and killed and 3 dead sheep the best part i can remember was the owners of the dogs coming to lift them off the yard blood everywhere.

 

[Dry Rot]

Would love to see your video.

I am re-editing it and putting it onto digital but it is slow boring old job and my heart isn't in it any more!

(I keep getting distrated by TFF!).

 

[unlacedgecko]

Ignorance about dogs and dog training is at an all time low here in the UK and that is the problem. The sheep worry is horrific and shouldn't happen. But dogs are now child substitutes to many people and they simply don't know how to handle them, nor will they listen to advice come to that.

A dog is no different to a gun, a car, or a chain saw. All are dangerous in the wrong hands and when out of control.

My dogs are very well trained, under perfect control, and are never out of the kennel unless they are under my direct supervision. I have trained A LOT of working dogs in the last 60 years -- and, what is more, I can prove it!

I have working line GSDs -- not Mailinois which are considered more hyper -- and got them when I gave up gundogs as they were one breed I had not trained. I am also a pensioner, living alone in a fairly isolated location, and don't want to end up like Tony Martin! I bred pedigree sheep for many years so I understand that side of it too.

Below are some of my working English pointers and English setters when I bred/trained gundogs. Sorry about the quality but it is a frame grab from video. There are more out of frame, total about 35. The video created something of a sensation at the time.

35! That's some pack to train. Did you train professionally/full time?

Are your current dogs Czech imports?

 

[Dry Rot]

35! That's some pack to train. Did you train professionally/full time?

Are your current dogs Czech imports?

The dogs in the video clip were all my own. I have exported them world-wide.

I don't breed GSDs. They were bought from UK breeders. I just enjoy the training!

BTW, I had a lot of dogs when I moved here over 30 years ago. It is sheep country so I visited each of my neighbours in turn and told them that if they had any trouble from my dogs, they were to come to me and I'd lend them a gun. So far, so good.

 

[Juggler]

Another £100 here if required.

A lot of people don't understand the dogs they keep, they misinterpret training for cruelty. It's a sad situation.
We have a couple who've moved in locally who have a dog that escapes a lot, they are a lovely couple and are genuinely afraid of him sheep worrying, but are a little judgemental of my sheepdog who is on a long lead when I'm not around, and have indirectly suggested it's not nice to keep a dog like that.
That sheepdog is the most obedient and generally the best dog I've had the honour to own, their dog is a smallish mut that doesn't give a sh!t about them but they find it difficult to make the comparison.

People today seem to think their dog has human attributes and it clouds their judgement of how primal a normal dog can be

 

[llamedos]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-37271695

 

[llamedos]

Another £100 here too if required.

 

[Gator]

I feel sick after reading this, all the hard work and time hes put in to end up with this. I really feel for the lad . Good luck with what ever he choses to do. And another £100 here if needed

 

[llamedos]

In Scotland -
Dog owner fined £12k for sheep attack

http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/14721880.Dog_owner_fined___12k_for_sheep_attack/?ref=twtrec

 

[Steel]

I have never seen pictures of sheep so efficiently killed by dogs. Usually there are ripped up around the back legs and guts, as the dogs chase and bite and grab the sides and back legs, and when the sheep stop running they go to another sheep leaving the sheep to be put down when they are found. Even Dingos usually do this. I think it is strange that a dog would go for the neck and kill the sheep before going for the next one.