Do i need permission to make a hard standing on my own land ?

[andybk]

Have an old railway siding thats quite uneven , local builder would like to tip stone waste to level it up so i can make a standing for bales , prob couple ft deep , im very strict on asbestos or any thing bigger than a concrete block , do i need planning or permissions ? no nearby water etc

 

[jackrussell101]

I wouldn't have thought so.

My advice would be to not ask any questions and just do it.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[neilo]

You will need permission to accept waste. Local dairy farmer got shopped for moving stone dug from the ground during their building work, onto their other farms to make tracks up.

Most people would jfdi I suppose, as long as it’s not near a neighbour that bears a grudge for some reason.

 

[HatsOff]

Possibly a change of use, unless it's already changed to agricultural? Only other thing would be management of water/drainage but if it's just stone then that's virtually a non-issue.

If anyone asks I would refer to the stone as 'recycled aggregate' and have them do a WAC test before it leaves their site to ensure its not contaminated. That would cover your due diligence so you're not contaminating the ground (ignoring that the railway sidings are probably already dripping in hydrocarbons and heavy metals...!).

 

[DrWazzock]

Have an old railway siding thats quite uneven , local builder would like to tip stone waste to level it up so i can make a standing for bales , prob couple ft deep , im very strict on asbestos or any thing bigger than a concrete block , do i need planning or permissions ? no nearby water etc

That would ring alarm bells for me. It’s high unlikely a local builder will be producing a supply of nicely graded hardcore suitable for a base but I suppose there is a first time for everything. I have turned down many such requests in the past. If I want aggregate I order it. You will need some sort of waste licence. I wouldn’t entertain it TBH.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

It's the imported waste that will get you , don't you have your own fill ?

 

[Nearly]

I defy any council busybody to tell the difference between rubble from my own projects and imported stuff.
It's the procession of Transit pickup that give things away.

Dig out soil, insert rubble and cover with planings and bales
Sorted.

 

[puppet]

That definitely involves a waste licence. The rubble will be exposed and visible.
The builder will be saving a fortune but you will get the bill. Digger and 5 men sifting through it for a week after enforcement notice and thousands to dispose of anything hazardous. Seen it happen so be warned.

 

[andybk]

That would ring alarm bells for me. It’s high unlikely a local builder will be producing a supply of nicely graded hardcore suitable for a base but I suppose there is a first time for everything. I have turned down many such requests in the past. If I want aggregate I order it. You will need some sort of waste licence. I wouldn’t entertain it TBH.

Had a couple loads for other jobs gateways etc , its actually just blocks and plaster (only small local builder) occasionally a broken sink , nothing dramatic , have a waste licence for road planning's already , dont know if this will cover it

 

[Exfarmer]

Your problem is that the authorities would far sooner chase 2 honest men, you and the builder, who they can ascertain in minutes the names and addresses for some minor infringement of the waste regulations. Than go chasing some diddicoy with a 20 tonne dumper dropping loads of asbestos/ kitchen fittings/ insulation etc. etc. far and wide across the county.
One complaint by a neighbour and you could have the authorities crawling all over you looking for brownie points , prosecuting the waste regs.
If you do it make sure every little detail is correct

 

[deleted user 837354]

Would depend on how big the 'project' would be and how well I knew and trusted the builder.

 

[Dry Rot]

Would depend on how big the 'project' would be and how well I knew and trusted the builder.

How well you know and trust the planning department might also come into it!

This is what I see every time I drive up or down my access road.

 

[pgk]

Had a couple loads for other jobs gateways etc , its actually just blocks and plaster (only small local builder) occasionally a broken sink , nothing dramatic , have a waste licence for road planning's already , dont know if this will cover it

Look at your EA waste licence, you may have yo go online and add a category or two.

 

[andybk]

Would depend on how big the 'project' would be and how well I knew and trusted the builder.

only v small ,

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I heard about someone who did that, and did it all properly (licence etc), but commented that the problem was, the builders might tip plasterboard/tyres/asbestos sheets with the clean rubble.

 

[DrWazzock]

Had a couple loads for other jobs gateways etc , its actually just blocks and plaster (only small local builder) occasionally a broken sink , nothing dramatic , have a waste licence for road planning's already , dont know if this will cover it

Well it’s entirely up to to you. I’d be sceptical of getting enough decent quality rubble quickly enough from a small local builder to build a base of any decent size in a reasonable timescale, leaving aside waste regs and the possibility of inclusion of hazardous waste. I’d just order a load of suitable aggregate and be done with the job and let the builders take their waste to an approved site/crusher.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I heard about someone who did that, and did it all properly (licence etc), but commented that the problem was, the builders might tip plasterboard/tyres/asbestos sheets with the clean rubble.

The sad thing is that plasterboard and asbestos won't ever hurt anyone stuck in a hole in the ground.

 

[Pan mixer]

I asked the question to the EA a few years ago as a builder mate dumped a small amount of rubble here - possible the equivalent of a couple of grain trailers full each year.

The EA said that I would have to get planning permission and have a waste licence which would cost several thousand pounds a year but cover me up to, I think it was, a quarter of a million tonnes per annum.

No other category existed then.

We stopped the builder mate.

Since then however a local property developer and business man of some large local reputation bought a derelict farm and dumped a large amount of soil from foundation excavations on it.

The local council was informed as well as the EA and neither did anything.

Possibly the answer is that you can proceed if you have over 100 million in the bank then no one will care.

 

[Exfarmer]

I asked the question to the EA a few years ago as a builder mate dumped a small amount of rubble here - possible the equivalent of a couple of grain trailers full each year.

The EA said that I would have to get planning permission and have a waste licence which would cost several thousand pounds a year but cover me up to, I think it was, a quarter of a million tonnes per annum.

No other category existed then.

We stopped the builder mate.

Since then however a local property developer and business man of some large local reputation bought a derelict farm and dumped a large amount of soil from foundation excavations on it.

The local council was informed as well as the EA and neither did anything.

Possibly the answer is that you can proceed if you have over 100 million in the bank then no one will care.

Sadly, you are so right!

 

[HatsOff]

The sad thing is that plasterboard and asbestos won't ever hurt anyone stuck in a hole in the ground.

Gypsum in contact with soils produce hydrogen sulphide, which can poison people and/or contaminate ground water. And asbestos never degrades so will always be dangerous - so if it is exposed by weathering or dug up in future by unsuspecting people, they could well be made ill by it.