And I think he is quite right. Should have done the same as most of the coalition forces, straight in give the terrorist nut jobs a good fuking and back out again. The US and the UK stayed too long trying to change hearts and minds, which was never going to happen.Biden on the news, " the sooner we're out the better!"
So it's Saigon all over again. Last helicopter off the roof , loads of people left behind. Then the executions.
Charlie Wilson's War. With Tom Hanks, well worth watching.And I think he is quite right. Should have done the same as most of the coalition forces, straight in give the terrorist nut jobs a good fuking and back out again. The US and the UK stayed too long trying to change hearts and minds, which was never going to happen.
And I think he is quite right. Should have done the same as most of the coalition forces, straight in give the terrorist nut jobs a good fuking and back out again. The US and the UK stayed too long trying to change hearts and minds, which was never going to happen.
Isn't this exactly the problem, everyone seems to think we need to join up with either the yanks or the EU just so that one day we can invade someone else's country, all the UK really needs an armed force for is to deter anyone else thinking they can attack the UK in which case nuclear seems like a good stand by additional deterrent.Rory Stewart has said , " The long term operational capability of UK forces would be better served by greater co-operation and integration with European nations such as France and the Netherlands."
" but doing this would require a dramatic reshaping of our armed forces - and a rewriting of the Integrated Review. France is currently closer than Britain to being able to deploy independently"
But the EU are never going to have an army you and other remainers kept telling us this,A few major lessons from this debacle.
1. America first and America only, is now the de facto domestic political calculation of both Republicans and Democrats in USA.
2. UK and EU / Europe, can no longer depend on USA as a strategic reliable defence partner.
3. UK, may as well totally write off even the slimmest prospect of a beneficial trade deal with USA. Any such deal will be America first and America only.
4. EU and UK, are quite simply going to need to form a military alliance for mutual protection.
5. EU army is a must have. The sooner the better.
6. UK in the midst of it‘s own internal existential crisis, now has another more external crisis. It has walked away from its most important strategic partner / market in EUland and has been kicked out of the bed by Uncle Sam.
7. @Danllan ‘s heroic efforts to breathe life into his irrelevant pipe dream CONZUK, isn‘t worth the paper it isn’t written on.
8. Undeterred by unrequited love, political, economic and military irrelevance, UK will still march dutifully to the American tune, next time it decides it wants to invade, I mean protect democracy in another country.
Yet when the French are cautious and council against involvement they're called " Cheese eating surrender monkeys"Isn't this exactly the problem, everyone seems to think we need to join up with either the yanks or the EU just so that one day we can invade some else's country, all the UK really needs an armed force for is to deter anyone else thinking they can attack the UK in which case nuclear seems like a good stand by additional deterrent.
It is up to other countries to provide their own deterrents, the only vaguely likely aggressors are Russia & China neither of which are likely to think of the UK as a first port of call, we should be far more like Switzerland & keep our noses out of other countries business & make damm sure that our own defences are adequate!
That just about sums the job up,and is the truth of it.A few major lessons from this debacle.
1. America first and America only, is now the de facto domestic political calculation of both Republicans and Democrats in USA.
2. UK and EU / Europe, can no longer depend on USA as a strategic reliable defence partner.
3. UK, may as well totally write off even the slimmest prospect of a beneficial trade deal with USA. Any such deal will be America first and America only.
4. EU and UK, are quite simply going to need to form a military alliance for mutual protection.
5. EU army is a must have. The sooner the better.
6. UK in the midst of it‘s own internal existential crisis, now has another more external crisis. It has walked away from its most important strategic partner / market in EUland and has been kicked out of the bed by Uncle Sam.
7. @Danllan ‘s heroic efforts to breathe life into his irrelevant pipe dream CONZUK, isn‘t worth the paper it isn’t written on.
8. Undeterred by unrequited love, political, economic and military irrelevance, UK will still march dutifully to the American tune, next time it decides it wants to invade, I mean protect democracy in another country.
You remember those inflatable tanks & planes they used during World War 2 to fool the Germans now it's just a case of inflated boats which fool no one!Did wonder when Boris said the other month that he didn't like the term 'special relationship' with the US anymore if he had read the writing on the wall.
Havent heard much about the gloved fist armada sent to frighten the Chinese. You know, the UK carrier with American planes on it....
But the EU are never going to have an army you and other remainers kept telling us this,
They officially pulled the last of their forces out in June, but there are some (Reuters) reports suggesting that they still have troops at Kabul airport.The Germans - one of the world's largest economies - where is their transport fleet and their troops?
Was it not always thus ?They officially pulled the last of their forces out in June, but there are some (Reuters) reports suggesting that they still have troops at Kabul airport.
Watching FR24, it seems to be Hungarian, US, Australian and U.K. transporters doing the majority of the lifting.