Eco drill drilled spring oats

[Clive]

Clive,
If you want to put fert down with JD put a front tank on the tractor and blow the fert back to a cyclone, this drops the fert into the bottom of the seed meter and is then mixed with the seed down the row. This is the way it as done with accord drills back in the day and the are probably quite a few still like that now. Someone's bound to have a picture.
AFAIK the JD has an accord type metering system so it is just a case of ducting the fert into the seed stream before the Venturi.

My worries about doing it this is if the airflow is enough to carry seed and fert at reasonable rates ? Also concerns over seedling scotch if fert and seed are not separated but I'm not sure if this is a real issue or just a myth ?

 

[SilliamWhale]

can you tell me where I can get one of these highly depreciated Dale drills ?

I don't know but I have seen them cheap in the past. Clive has gone and spoilt it now though

 

[Colin]

My worries about doing it this is if the airflow is enough to carry seed and fert at reasonable rates ? Also concerns over seedling scotch if fert and seed are not separated but I'm not sure if this is a real issue or just a myth ?

Put it this way, lots of folk doing it around here. IIRC one yer I was up to 480 kg/ha of compound, which was all the fert for s. barley. Also on box vaderstad drills you can add a kit to mix DAP or MAP with the seed.

 

[Colin]

Been looking a fert systems today at cereals for 750a and think I might have found a liquid solution at reasonable cost

Would be interested to hear bout that as was thinking of putting liquid down as well.

 

[Dale Drills]

Here are our own Spring Oat and Spring Barley Crops at 19th June. Both were drilled at 10" row spacing with 9m Eco-Drill around 6th April . The oats were drilled alongside 140kg Urea (65kgN/ha) whilst the barley had either DAP or Urea spread before drilling. Both crops seem to do very well at 10" row spacing.
Oats
Barley

 

[JNG]

Not sure about the S Barley at that spacing, let us know how it yields, for Barley to yield well it needs lots of ears per m2, can you get that with such wide rows, oats and wheat can compensate for that better. the Oats look good.

 

[JNG]

Clive how are the Oats doing in the dry weather, did the placed fert grow more roots than the broadcast and thus are they doing better at scavanging for water? Can you see any differences? Also Dale v's John Deere?

 

[Clive]

Clive how are the Oats doing in the dry weather, did the placed fert grow more roots than the broadcast and thus are they doing better at scavanging for water? Can you see any differences? Also Dale v's John Deere?

Fresh of a plane so not seen them for 2 weeks myself - will take a look tomorrow and a few pics

I expect they will be going off fast now

 

[JNG]

Fresh of a plane so not seen them for 2 weeks myself - will take a look tomorrow and a few pics

I expect they will be going off fast now

Yea mine are starting to turn which is a bit early, not expecting a great crop but we will see!!

 

[JNG]

Photos from Claydon drilled Oats last night, not good I am afraid, moisture deficit is affecting grain fill, some lower seeds not filling well at all, S Oats was our best crop in the wet year 2012 and looking about our worst in dry year 2013. Last picture from one of the greener areas, just holding on.

 

[Andy Howard]

What ground is that on? Ours are mostly on clay and seem to be holding on but give it a few more days of this and might not be so good, fricking hot and dry in kent.

 

[JNG]

What ground is that on? Ours are mostly on clay and seem to be holding on but give it a few more days of this and might not be so good, fricking hot and dry in kent.

Very light ground and its been hot here for a few weeks now, 28 degrees most of last week not as bad now approx 22-24 degrees but due for hotter from tomorrow on, had 37mm in June and 35mm in May, not enough for this crop to yield well Im afraid, hopefully it will wipe its own arse so to speak?

 

[Andy Howard]

Sounds like you had a wet June! Had 8ml here but oats on clay so makes all the difference.

 

[Clive]

Dale drilled above

Dale drilled above

Dale drilled above

These are 750a drilled above

Dale right JD left

Very little to split the Dale form the JD - all need a drink but hanging on reasonably well I think and certainly better than my wheat is !

 

[JNG]

Looks OK, hard to see difference between the two, needs to hang on to its green a bit longer, will be hard for it.

 

[Feldspar]

Do you think there's currently any visual difference above ground between the areas with the placed DAP and the areas without?

 

[Clive]

Do you think there's currently any visual difference above ground between the areas with the placed DAP and the areas without?

quite honestly not now at all

will be interesting to see if placed DAP go off latter due to better rooting ?

 

[JNG]

Photos from Claydon drilled Oats last night, not good I am afraid, moisture deficit is affecting grain fill, some lower seeds not filling well at all, S Oats was our best crop in the wet year 2012 and looking about our worst in dry year 2013. Last picture from one of the greener areas, just holding on.

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Just to finish this crop went on to yield 2.3t/ac, moisture tested at 12.5% when we cut first sample so did not test again.

 

[Clive]

Sprayed ours off early last week, might be in them end of this next week I hope, along with linseed they look like crop of the year so I hope they don't disappoint me

 

[Clive]

Cutting these today / tomorrow if we manage to avoid the showers - quite flat in places so not the fastest harvesting !!

so far so good they look to be nice bold quality and are filling trailers at a reasonable pace - will know yield latter when a few have been over the weighbridge