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Eu trade deal.
- Thread starter deere 6600
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We can but hope, we can but hope.
Yayyyyyyyyy!!! Happy Days's are here again..... etc etc
I can do you a favour and let you have some Spring Barley quadrants at £60 each if you like. Doesn't that sound so much cheaper?
I raise you Neil.
20 acres of rain proof sand...*
They can eat the straw mind....
* I'll tell the sucklers they are off to Drayton...!!
Danllan
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The EU - meaning, for this remainder post, the organisation rather than the member states - probably doesn't want a deal of any sort with the UK. When there is any conflict between the two, the EU has historically acted in what it regards as its own interest rather than that of its members. It seems very unlikely that the EU regards a member state leaving and prospering as a good thing for itself. This being so it probably see its best interests being served by having no deal with the UK.
The irony of this is that, should it come to pass, HMG will undoubtedly pull out the stops to re-energise, subsidise and de-tax ('streamline' if you like) the UK economy, with which the EU will be obliged to trade on WTO terms, they simply won't be able to be any more punitive than these allow. The economic advantage that UK business will have in such a situation will more than outweigh any tariffs resulting from this method of trade.
Yeah... they'll be absolutely desperate to see that £80 billion trade deficit in their favour got rid of.
Johnnyboxer
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Again.......[emoji85]
Media seem to have ramped up the anti no deal brexit propaganda and is applying maximum pressure, does the media now run the country?! I thought democracy ruled.
Guardian newspaper posted a story that a deal will be done because boris will not sell out british beef with a no deal and tariffs, f#cking idiots havent been told that we have no reason to export beef so no deal would be fantastic for beef. A tariff on our beef would do as much harm as putting a tariff on our banana exports!!!
Mrs batters doesnt help lumping us all in together and fooling the media into thinking she speaks for all farmers.
Guardian newspaper posted a story that a deal will be done because boris will not sell out british beef with a no deal and tariffs, f#cking idiots havent been told that we have no reason to export beef so no deal would be fantastic for beef. A tariff on our beef would do as much harm as putting a tariff on our banana exports!!!
Mrs batters doesnt help lumping us all in together and fooling the media into thinking she speaks for all farmers.
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- Montgomeryshire
The EU - meaning, for this remainder post, the organisation rather than the member states - probably doesn't want a deal of any sort with the UK. When there is any conflict between the two, the EU has historically acted in what it regards as its own interest rather than that of its members. It seems very unlikely that the EU regards a member state leaving and prospering as a good thing for itself. This being so it probably see its best interests being served by having no deal with the UK.
The irony of this is that, should it come to pass, HMG will undoubtedly pull out the stops to re-energise, subsidise and de-tax ('streamline' if you like) the UK economy, with which the EU will be obliged to trade on WTO terms, they simply won't be able to be any more punitive than these allow. The economic advantage that UK business will have in such a situation will more than outweigh any tariffs resulting from this method of trade.
Yeah... they'll be absolutely desperate to see that £80 billion trade deficit in their favour got rid of.
HMG is certainly making a good start at re-energising and subsidising the ag sector already.
Johnny Foreigner won’t know what’s hit him.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
Many people, still sulking about Brexit, have mentioned recently how unimportant fishing as it stands really is to the UK, being only a bit over 0.1% of the nation's GDP. This being or little relevance and, therefore, worthy of sacrifice to the EU. You may not like it but, the potential is now there for the UK fishing industry to increase very greatly indeed, possibly even by more than an order of magnitude, taking it to over 1% of national GDP.HMG is certainly making a good start at re-energising and subsidising the ag sector already.
Now, bearing in mind that UK Ag' represents only about 0.6% of UK GDP, something that could be eclipsed by fishing in a few years time, why should Agriculture get any special treatment?
Of course, I think all sectors of the UK economy, in all parts of the UK should always be supported. But you didn't and presumably still don't, you wanted us to stay trapped in a bloc that required us to directly subsidise our nearest competitors at the expense of our own industries and people. And that specifically outlawed our own Governments helping their own people. And all that, so that we could chalk up a huge trade imbalance?
But, so long as you can keep your lamb insulated from international markets, that's alright, stuff everyone else in the economy, especially the fishermen, you're alright Jack! Interesting position that...
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- North Wales
I think it's amazing that the only trump card the UK holds is fishing. Who'd have thought it? Fishing!!!
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- Montgomeryshire
Many people, still sulking about Brexit, have mentioned recently how unimportant fishing as it stands really is to the UK, being only a bit over 0.1% of the nation's GDP. This being or little relevance and, therefore, worthy of sacrifice to the EU. You may not like it but, the potential is now there for the UK fishing industry to increase very greatly indeed, possibly even by more than an order of magnitude, taking it to over 1% of national GDP.
Now, bearing in mind that UK Ag' represents only about 0.6% of UK GDP, something that could be eclipsed by fishing in a few years time, why should Agriculture get any special treatment?
Of course, I think all sectors of the UK economy, in all parts of the UK should always be supported. But you didn't and presumably still don't, you wanted us to stay trapped in a bloc that required us to directly subsidise our nearest competitors at the expense of our own industries and people. And that specifically outlawed our own Governments helping their own people. And all that, so that we could chalk up a huge trade imbalance?
But, so long as you can keep your lamb insulated from international markets, that's alright, stuff everyone else in the economy, especially the fishermen, you're alright Jack! Interesting position that...
A lot of those fishermen chose to sell their quota to our European competitors, it wasn’t stolen from them.
I have always considered that the livestock sector (particularly) has been protected by our French cousins, and their willingness to fight for their way of life, who have thus far protected us from the wishes of our Londoncentric MPs. I haven’t changed my opinion on that at all. ‘Taking back control’ is now coming home to roost for our industry, unfortunately, and I fear for it’s (& my) future.
‘Our’ government has chosen not to help our own ‘industries & people’, usually blaming EU rules, whilst other EU countries have continued to support theirs. Has the German steel industry been sold down the river like our own? Large dairy co-ops were ordered to split up here (EU rules don’t you know), whilst they flourished in Europe?
Danllan
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Well, no direct responses, no surprise there. And your first line about the fishermen... I was pretty sure you'd write something like that, and it's b*llocks.A lot of those fishermen chose to sell their quota to our European competitors, it wasn’t stolen from them.
I have always considered that the livestock sector (particularly) has been protected by our French cousins, and their willingness to fight for their way of life, who have thus far protected us from the wishes of our Londoncentric MPs. I haven’t changed my opinion on that at all. ‘Taking back control’ is now coming home to roost for our industry, unfortunately, and I fear for it’s (& my) future.
‘Our’ government has chosen not to help our own ‘industries & people’, usually blaming EU rules, whilst other EU countries have continued to support theirs. Has the German steel industry been sold down the river like our own? Large dairy co-ops were ordered to split up here (EU rules don’t you know), whilst they flourished in Europe?
Surely you are aware of the history of the quotas and sales, aren't you? You know all about the original quotas, the average size of vessel in the UK and elsewhere and then - without warning - the EC changing the CFP quotas drastically, don't you? Of course you know the effect that the sudden cut had on the smaller individual British outfits and that it had no such affect on the much larger European ones, don't you?
You wrote '...those fishermen chose to sell their quota...', yes they did, just as you would 'choose' to sell. That being when you've lost 25% of your turnover due to the quota cut you were told wouldn't happen by the EC and because, as a small operator, you can't carry on without making losses without that 25%, while the chaps kind enough to buy you out can absorb the hit because of their having vessels ten times the size and being part of a large organisation.
That's the truth of the matter, which of course you know being well informed about such things; can't think why it skipped your mind...
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- Montgomeryshire
Well, no direct responses, no surprise there. And your first line about the fishermen... I was pretty sure you'd write something like that, and it's b*llocks.
Surely you are aware of the history of the quotas and sales, aren't you? You know all about the original quotas, the average size of vessel in the UK and elsewhere and then - without warning - the EC changing the CFP quotas drastically, don't you? Of course you know the effect that the sudden cut had on the smaller individual British outfits and that it had no such affect on the much larger European ones, don't you?
You wrote '...those fishermen chose to sell their quota...', yes they did, just as you would 'choose' to sell. That being when you've lost 25% of your turnover due to the quota cut you were told wouldn't happen by the EC and because, as a small operator, you can't carry on without making losses without that 25%, while the chaps kind enough to buy you out can absorb the hit because of their having vessels ten times the size and being part of a large organisation.
That's the truth of the matter, which of course you know being well informed about such things; can't think why it skipped your mind...
I certainly don’t pretend to be an expert on the fishing industry like yourself, but are you really suggesting that restrictions to overfishing shouldn’t have been implemented in some way? If it had carried on, there wouldn’t have been any fish left to pull, sooner or later.
It’s no different to taking crops from land without replacing nutrients in some way. Eventually you run out of crop.
Fishing quotas will remain in place post-Brexit, it certainly won’t be a free for all again.
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- Sedgefield
If there’s no deal will the price of beef and lamb collapse. Followed by barley ??
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- Montgomeryshire
If there is a deal now (& I think it likely) then sterling will jump, which I would expect to dampen the trade we’ve seen recently. If there’s no deal, we will see turmoil until it sorts itself out, which I expect the processors/retailers will take full advantage of.
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- Devon
I believe there will be a slight fudge to keep [almost] everyone happy.
Something along the lines of a no deal but an agreement to trade on current terms for a maximum of 12 months when there will be a comprehensive agreement or a planned change to WTO.
They will give "the unprecedented circumstances of Covid" as a reason.
Something along the lines of a no deal but an agreement to trade on current terms for a maximum of 12 months when there will be a comprehensive agreement or a planned change to WTO.
They will give "the unprecedented circumstances of Covid" as a reason.
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
The problem is not with the quotas, it is with the fact that the fishermen were screwed by being lied to by the EC, and accepting a 'deal' on the basis of those lies. Over-fishing in UK waters could easily have been prevented by reducing or removing foreign vessels, protecting fish stocks and the UK fishermen at the same time. Nobody is arguing for a 'free for all', simply that UK fish stocks be there primarily for the benefit of UK fishermen and consumers. And you find that controversial...?
That or a no deal and then that; if not, WTO plain and simple...
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Well, no direct responses, no surprise there. And your first line about the fishermen... I was pretty sure you'd write something like that, and it's b*llocks.
Surely you are aware of the history of the quotas and sales, aren't you? You know all about the original quotas, the average size of vessel in the UK and elsewhere and then - without warning - the EC changing the CFP quotas drastically, don't you? Of course you know the effect that the sudden cut had on the smaller individual British outfits and that it had no such affect on the much larger European ones, don't you?
You wrote '...those fishermen chose to sell their quota...', yes they did, just as you would 'choose' to sell. That being when you've lost 25% of your turnover due to the quota cut you were told wouldn't happen by the EC and because, as a small operator, you can't carry on without making losses without that 25%, while the chaps kind enough to buy you out can absorb the hit because of their having vessels ten times the size and being part of a large organisation.
That's the truth of the matter, which of course you know being well informed about such things; can't think why it skipped your mind...
Your posts are becoming more and more...
Mind you, I’m not surprised
Danllan
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- Sir Gar / Carms
Nor really, just stating some historical truths which some choose to ignore.Your posts are becoming more and more...
Mind you, I’m not surprised
Mind you, I'm not surprised you'd write that.
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Well, it comes over quite obviously; a big change of tone since the morning yourself and forage trader were comparing notes of tears of joy