Face Masks

[Ley253]

In the meantime, we all do our best to stop it spreading.

I'm sick to death with the excuses some people are coming up with for not carrying out personal biosecurity. Their mothers must have had a terrible time potty training them!

As the vast majority of infected do not even become unwell, let alone enter hospital, could there not be a case for allowing unrestricted spreading, as was done at measles parties etc years ago?

 

[Hindsight]

any particular one?

Not sure. Could become an annual event - the washing of the mask.

 

[primmiemoo]

Have you lost loved ones due to it?

A relative has been in hospital with it. They don't appear in the interactive map statistics, because their home location would be revealed (information is rightly suppressed in those circumstances). People I know in the wider area have had family and friends who have had a week to ten days really rough with it, and one has a friend who was on a ventilator for weeks. Most who have had it have some degree of after effects.

I had a spell of post-viral illness some years ago from either 'flu, or a 'flu-like illness, and wouldn't wish on anybody. Long covid sounds very much like what I experienced, and I still get ripples of less than wellness from it. Theirs could be worse.

If we all turned our attention to hating the virus, and stopping it dead, we could return to near normal sooner rather than later.

 

[primmiemoo]

As the vast majority of infected do not even become unwell, let alone enter hospital, could there not be a case for allowing unrestricted spreading, as was done at measles parties etc years ago?

Measles can kill. Measles parties lead to deafness, blindness, and brain damage in some victims. They are an act of willful ignorance - completely unneighbourly. There is a vaccine, and no excuse not to vaccinate unless under very, very, very narrow exemption.

 

[Ley253]

Measles can kill. Measles parties lead to deafness, blindness, and brain damage in some victims. They are an act of willful ignorance - completely unneighbourly. There is a vaccine, and no excuse not to vaccinate unless under very, very, very narrow exemption.

The measles parties I refer to, were at a time when there was no vaccine, as is the case for covid at the present time. And at that time, measles were far more dangerous than covid is now.

 

[primmiemoo]

The measles parties I refer to, were at a time when there was no vaccine, as is the case for covid at the present time. And at that time, measles were far more dangerous than covid is now.

They were still unwise.

Time will tell how dangerous covid has been. There's what is referred to as long covid to be considered. Its long-term effects on healthcare and the economy are yet to emerge.

Right now, the virus dies without a host. Stop it from finding hosts until a vaccine is ready for massed deployment, and reduce the possibility of more people dying or having to live with long covid in the interim.

 

[Henarar]

Masks are a good idea in theory but from what I see in practice they are largely a waste of time, said that from the start and see no reason to change my mind

 

[JimAndy]

As the vast majority of infected do not even become unwell, let alone enter hospital, could there not be a case for allowing unrestricted spreading, as was done at measles parties etc years ago?

measles immunity last for life (in general) hence why if treated as a baby you are considered to be safe for life
no one know how long C19 immunity will last, with several reports of people getting it twice and there was a report a few weeks ago showing a falling amount of antibodies in people who had it 6 months ago

 

[primmiemoo]

measles immunity last for life (in general) hence why if treated as a baby you are considered to be safe for life
no one know how long C19 immunity will last, with several reports of people getting it twice and there was a report a few weeks ago showing a falling amount of antibodies in people who had it 6 months ago

True that the amount of antibodies falls, but the T cells in the body that remember how to make antibodies when they're needed remain primed. At least, that's what the medics are saying.

 

[Muck Spreader]

As the vast majority of infected do not even become unwell, let alone enter hospital, could there not be a case for allowing unrestricted spreading, as was done at measles parties etc years ago?

That's not quite true. Only around 20 to 25% of people who contract covid-19 do not show symptoms and are mostly in the younger age groups.

 

[Pasty]

True that the amount of antibodies falls, but the T cells in the body that remember how to make antibodies when they're needed remain primed. At least, that's what the medics are saying.
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True that the amount of antibodies falls, but the T cells in the body that remember how to make antibodies when they're needed remain primed. At least, that's what the medics are saying.

This is my problem with childhood flu vaccines. Why are they doing this? We know that recovery from a virus helps protect us from some other new ones.

 

[neilo]

True that the amount of antibodies falls, but the T cells in the body that remember how to make antibodies when they're needed remain primed. At least, that's what the medics are saying.

True. A friend in her seventies has had all her T cells killed off by chemo, prior to stem cell treatment (which thankfully appears to have worked ). She is currently undergoing all her childhood vaccinations again. as she has bugger all immunity to anything again.

 

[oil barron]

Masks are a good idea in theory but from what I see in practice they are largely a waste of time, said that from the start and see no reason to change my mind

i think you are coming at it from the point of view of will a mask protect the wearer, or is it 100% effective. It’s not designed to be either. The concept is that if a majority of the public wear masks then those that have Covid will be less effective spreaders. The big push on hand washing early on had people thinking they were going to catch it from touching a can of beans after someone else and then picking their nose. Although this is possible, the vast majority of transmission is by breathing in droplets in the air from a near by host.

I see it very much like IBR in cattle

This study from America has some evidence.

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

 

[primmiemoo]

This is my problem with childhood flu vaccines. Why are they doing this? We know that recovery from a virus helps protect us from some other new ones.

The only thing I can think is that it's a blanket protection for the population, and the pros and cons have been weighed up using information gathered over a considerable amount of time.

There's a chart elsethread (the I've Got It thread, I think) that shows the different strains of flu covered for each age group. One that's used for one age group of children is also used for an older age group of adults this year. It may well be that neither age group has met that strain before.

I can remember once when both my parents were ill with 'flu. I was pre-teens. Poor Dad still had to milk cows and feed around. It was not a fun time.

 

[Still Farming]

Noticed a last 747 that flew into Kemble has been saved ,BA livery stripped and back flighing collecting ppe apparently.

 

[Sid]

ITV news tonight, party on embankment in london no masks all hugging and not socially distancing, shops like Christmas eve today, no one wearing masks in streets, 3 work colleagues meeting in a bar not socially distancing, only ones wearing masks were Muslims in Mosque.

And they wonder why we have lock down!
Thick f**ks!

 

[primmiemoo]

This is my problem with childhood flu vaccines. Why are they doing this? We know that recovery from a virus helps protect us from some other new ones.

The chart I mentioned is in the I've Got It thread, post # 1533.

I misread the different types of vaccine, sorry. The colour codes relate to the individual's health status at vaccination, and not to the strain of flu.

 

[Hindsight]

This is my problem with childhood flu vaccines. Why are they doing this? We know that recovery from a virus helps protect us from some other new ones.

Some young children with other illnesses should not really get Flu. These are offered vaccination. it is not for all children. Just some poor child with some other nasty illness that might not survive a dose of flu also. Nor a dose of Covid. Fortunately our children were healthy.

 

[ColinV6]

ITV news tonight, party on embankment in london no masks all hugging and not socially distancing, shops like Christmas eve today, no one wearing masks in streets, 3 work colleagues meeting in a bar not socially distancing, only ones wearing masks were Muslims in Mosque.

And they wonder why we have lock down!
Thick fudges!

I don’t wear a mask in streets though. I put it on as I have to, when I enter a shop or building. Soon as I’m out the door. It’s off and back in my pocket.
Horrid things to wear and I for one am really glad to see people outdoors without them. Shows the majority won’t be brainwashed into them becoming normal. Even after we get a vaccine etc.

Im very curious to see when the mandatory indoor face covering rule is dropped. Will it ever be??

 

[Ley253]

I don’t wear a mask in streets though. I put it on as I have to, when I enter a shop or building. Soon as I’m out the door. It’s off and back in my pocket.
Horrid things to wear and I for one am really glad to see people outdoors without them. Shows the majority won’t be brainwashed into them becoming normal. Even after we get a vaccine etc.

Im very curious to see when the mandatory indoor face covering rule is dropped. Will it ever be??

who thought that the time would come when you couldnt get in a bank if you were not wearing a mask!