Farm assurance cost

[MrNoo]

No, utter rubbish, if I grew 1t of (non assured) wheat in France, it would be worth the same price a 1t of wheat here, so this idiotic ideal that FA gives you a premium is wrong, you are I assume connected to RT????
I can actually price myself at whatever i want, just like the examples, doesnt mean I will take that, time off......... What's that!! lol

 

[Highland Mule]

No, utter rubbish, if I grew 1t of (non assured) wheat in France, it would be worth the same price a 1t of wheat here, so this idiotic ideal that FA gives you a premium is wrong, you are I assume connected to RT????
I can actually price myself at whatever i want, just like the examples, doesnt mean I will take that, time off......... What's that!! lol

No connection to FA and not even FA myself. I check many times and satisfy myself that it's not worth my time. Time I'm not spending farming is earning me money elsewhere and hence I know what's worthwhile.

You're not in France though, are you, and don't have access to French customers. You're in the UK and have access to British customers. Without FA, you will have fewer customers and likely suffer a delta on price to someone who is FA.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

£15 per lamb difference is ridiculous, more like a few pounds if that were true no one would be without assurance.

i sold fat ewes the other day and im not assured it made no difference what so ever, the best stock made the best money.

 

[Highland Mule]

£15 per lamb difference is ridiculous, more like a few pounds if that were true no one would be without assurance.

i sold fat ewes the other day and im not assured it made no difference what so ever, the best stock made the best money.

Seems to be little difference at the moment, agreed - £2.10 vs £2.14 at Dingwall yesterday. The £15 figure was mine when selling breeding ewe lambs a couple of years ago - nobody was wanting the non-FA ones as even the FA ones were a challenge to get away.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

it definitely seems to mean less at the moment, lets hope people vote with their feet and nip it in the bud, sack it off!!!

 

[Guy Smith]

So what is @Guy Smith's new role/ job remit at the AHDB??

And more how many days a week is he actually working for them and what is he getting paid??

@Henarar Guy has sold his soul to the devil

GUTH - you never let me down.

 

[An Gof]

So what is @Guy Smith's new role/ job remit at the AHDB??

And more how many days a week is he actually working for them and what is he getting paid??

@Henarar Guy has sold his soul to the devil

Keep up @gone up the hill it’s not with the AHDB it is as sector Chairman of Combinable Crops & Sugar Beet at Red Tractor.
Unless you know something that we don’t and that Guy has also got the gig to replace Paul Temple as Cereals and oilseeds sector chair at AHDB.

 

[Guy Smith]

Keep up @gone up the hill it’s not with the AHDB it is as sector Chairman of Combinable Crops & Sugar Beet at Red Tractor.
Unless you know something that we don’t and that Guy has also got the gig to replace Paul Temple as Cereals and oilseeds sector chair at AHDB.

Careful - there can’t be much more room at GUTH towers for another dart board with a face on it.

 

[matthew]

Careful - there can’t be much more room at GUTH towers for another dart board with a face on it.

Be careful @Guy Smith . In this world of the terminally offended, your new avatar will bring you grief.
A local Devon rugby team is in the news with their mascot - see Exeter Chiefs.

NOW snowflakes decide Exeter Chiefs name is 'offensive'

Activists set up a petition calling for the 150-year-old rugby union side to change over its 'harmful' impact on Native Americans. Pictured: Its mascot.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sorry - OT.

 

[ajd132]

Of course it offers a premium - it's easier to sell, and thus you can get the market value for FA grain. Without FA, you have to work harder at selling and probably accept a deficit to FA. Whether you say there's a premium for FA or a deficit for non-FA doesn't matter - there's a delta between the two.

I wouldn't price yourself at what these guys are charged at either - the man in the job gets much less than that and has significant overhead to pay. Ask yourself how much you'd need to not be doing that/ what you'd pay to have time off.

It does not offer a premium, if you don’t have it you get below market value. It’s a cartel that offers no value.

 

[Highland Mule]

It does not offer a premium, if you don’t have it you get below market value. It’s a cartel that offers no value.

Premium or below is a matter of semantics and just reflects that more are than are not - fact is that there's a delta between FA and no FA. If you really believe it offers no value then stop doing it.

 

[ajd132]

Premium or below is a matter of semantics and just reflects that more are than are not - fact is that there's a delta between FA and no FA. If you really believe it offers no value then stop doing it.

It allows you to get the market value

 

[Highland Mule]

It allows you to get the market value

So, without FA you get less? Therefore it carries a premium over non-FA. You’re basing your perception of “market value” on FA price, presumably because it’s the default and hence most widely quoted.

 

[bobk]

So, without FA you get less? Therefore it carries a premium over non-FA. You’re basing your perception of “market value” on FA price, presumably because it’s the default and hence most widely quoted.

Some would say premium others would say penalty for non assurance
The price you sell crops for are set by world trade not RT

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Some would say premium others would say penalty for non assurance
The price you sell crops for are set by world trade not RT

The trade only pay what they have to. This is a convenient tool to add value to their product not ours. Is there farm assurance on Ukrainian osr? I doubt it it but they buy it anyway, just like the NZ lamb that might not have seen a shepherd for 6 weeks at a time (that's a generalisation not a known fact). If we all stopped, the price probably wouldn't alter. What it does do is offload the burden of rpa inspection onto the farmer, albeit in a more friendly and organised fashion, as it indicates that most of us are farming within the law, which is probably all anyone really wants.

 

[Widgetone]

I would think that Guy will import/impart some sense into RT brigade. Heres hoping anyways, no pressure!
Better in the tent etc etc than out...

 

[MrNoo]

I would think that Guy will import/impart some sense into RT brigade. Heres hoping anyways, no pressure!
Better in the tent etc etc than out...

Lol!! Comedian!!! Suspect hell will freeze over before any sense comes out of that sh!t show

 

[SilliamWhale]

Premium or below is a matter of semantics and just reflects that more are than are not - fact is that there's a delta between FA and no FA. If you really believe it offers no value then stop doing it.

I think its more than semantics to be honest. It can actually be a bit trickier to shift non fa grain at times and so you need to find a way of doing it fraudulently

 

[SilliamWhale]

Lol!! Comedian!!! Suspect hell will freeze over before any sense comes out of that sh!t show

Its not in Red Tractors interest to make anything more efficient, cut some nonsense out or change or simplify. Its in their interest to continue the playful dance that commodity production is somehow less of value without the stickers that the boats that come in with this years grain don't have.

 

[Highland Mule]

I think its more than semantics to be honest. It can actually be a bit trickier to shift non fa grain at times and so you need to find a way of doing it fraudulently

I’ve never tried, and don’t grow grain, so can’t offer any personal experience, but there’s been posts on here from some who have and do sell non-FA. Presumably there’s a market out there if you try hard enough to find it, and set the price accordingly? I know that’s the case for meat sales, and I also know I don’t care what status the grain based feeds I buy in had.