Farming in France

[will l]

Yes , mind you Will does give the worst scenario quite a bit , he needs a happy pill

As i get older i suffer fools less

Well I'm not qualified in ag but get my sub. I think it is certainly important to live her but on the other hand do know of some that don't. I did ask re the next place I am buying, if my uk ltd company could be the farmer, the acct thought no, the safer thought possibly yes... But without getting the sub

If you live here are over 40 invest in buying not renting and there is no question about your farm being viable you only claim subsidies not grants, youll pass, try to form a GAEC or claim extra grants, then you will come under very close scrutiny

 

[czechmate]

Yes , mind you Will does give the worst scenario quite a bit , he needs a happy pill

Sorry will, Howard set me up and I love the smiths

 

[czechmate]

Why can't you amalgamate ?

Oh I can and looks like I will. The problem isn't here but in the uk. Without any farming operation (or any other operation) the company will have to become an investment company, which doesn't have the tax breaks (mainly after I'm dead)

 

[bobk]

As i get older i suffer fools less

Oh well.

 

[will l]

Oh I can and looks like I will. The problem isn't here but in the uk. Without any farming operation (or any other operation) the company will have to become an investment company, which doesn't have the tax breaks (mainly after I'm dead)

If the uk company owns SNA surface non agricole ie house and garden, it will pass in france

 

[bobk]

Oh I can and looks like I will. The problem isn't here but in the uk. Without any farming operation (or any other operation) the company will have to become an investment company, which doesn't have the tax breaks (mainly after I'm dead)

La Poterie will keep you and Petra entertained for years , go and buy a row of terraced houses in MH with the rest

 

[czechmate]

La Poterie will keep you and Petra entertained for years , go and buy a row of terraced houses in MH with the rest

Already signed for the other farm
MH - harborough?, are you mad,
After brexnonsence, the uk is sunk

 

[Sparky270]

Already signed for the other farm
MH - harborough?, are you mad,
After brexnonsence, the uk is sunk

good luck with the other farm

 

[czechmate]

good luck with the other farm

Merci beaucoup

 

[its yourself]

As i get older i suffer fools less

Outstanding comment

 

[its yourself]

So i can assume you call the dossier PAC 'single farm payment a grant,
It is a subsidy to produce cheap food,
France uses various legislation to stop what is called slipper farming in english
firstly you need to qualify and apply to be a farmer, and install,
the PAC can only be claimed by qualified people/ societies, resident in france, read the small print when you next fill in the claim,
An exploitation agricole can only claim PAC on agricultural land surface agricole utilisable, not Surface non agricole, this is again on the PAC form,
You cannot let other people graze your land as you suggest, and claim 130 euros hectare grazing subsidy
They will by default have bail rural tenancy for as long as they are a farmer
You cannot claim grazing without you are a registered exploitation elevage with a numero cheptel and have the animals,
The same applies to bee hives,and claiming subsidy or grants on them
If you borrow money any capital repayment will have to come from profit which is subject to 47% MSA and tax
so a 300k loan will need to produce 600k profit plus the interest,Your income figures dont show any costs or EBE "excedent brute de exploitation", gross margin, just gross income,
The properties used as examples are residential properties being sold by french residential estate agents via http://www.my-french-house.com/ they are not allowed to sell agricultural land in france, so all the property you have off there site cannot be agricultural or they would be commiting a criminal offence,
Finally what is your numero SIRET, publicly available business registration number,
c'est pas vrai "its not true" sums it up really,

So how does a young farmer or older farmer in France make any money at all?

How do you expand to more land or even fund new equipment?

At those tax levels you are crippled before you start even allowing for a slightly better subsidy.

 

[Muck Spreader]

So how does a young farmer or older farmer in France make any money at all?

How do you expand to more land or even fund new equipment?

At those tax levels you are crippled before you start even allowing for a slightly better subsidy.

It's difficult to generalise but I suppose it's the same question you could ask many of the high tax Scandinavian countries as well. Farming is changing here like the UK smaller farms are disappearing especially as many sons and daughters don't wish to carry on. A lot of farmers have a lower standard of living in terms of material goods and grand houses compared to the UK but in return they expect the state to look after them. Coop's and buying groups and machinery rings feature strongly, land is cheaper to rent or buy. So the overall level of indebtedness can be controlled.

 

[Scotchwhiskers]

Lots of useful experience in thread - thanks! Already content to launch into french rural life - (changing and ageing as it is - there is still so much more going on than UK!)
Looking to move from the Highlands (Mountainy Beef & Accommodation) to the Pyrennees (Mountainy Accommodation & Beef). Embarked on buying the farm of my choice - closeby hiking & pilgrim trails.
Can't do the accommodation bit without the Certificat d'Urbanisme required to upgrade the buildings: can't get the certificate without being registered with MSA (as chef d'exploitation): can't register with MSA without already owning ground!!
Can anyone help with their experience of registering with MSA?

 

[czechmate]

Lots of useful experience in thread - thanks! Already content to launch into french rural life - (changing and ageing as it is - there is still so much more going on than UK!)
Looking to move from the Highlands (Mountainy Beef & Accommodation) to the Pyrennees (Mountainy Accommodation & Beef). Embarked on buying the farm of my choice - closeby hiking & pilgrim trails.
Can't do the accommodation bit without the Certificat d'Urbanisme required to upgrade the buildings: can't get the certificate without being registered with MSA (as chef d'exploitation): can't register with MSA without already owning ground!!
Can anyone help with their experience of registering with MSA?

Most of us can't avoid it and the msa came and found us

 

[Scotchwhiskers]

Thanks mate -
I'm advised by MSA Sud-Aquitaine - 'Avant toute chose contacter un comptable juriste et la chambre d'agriculture..'
...what did you do pre set-up.? Who was helpful?

 

[Landlad_24]

I'm interested to know how people have got on with share farming arrangements in France? Is it easy to work with your neighbors out there as opposed to here in the U.K? I think U.K agriculture post Brexit is going to be very gloomy unless we can start adopting some of the practices from across the channel.

 

[bobk]

Change of direction for David Wilson

http://www.velo2bike.com/en/pages/accueil.html

 

[czechmate]

Change of direction for David Wilson

http://www.velo2bike.com/en/pages/accueil.html

Must be better than anything to do with farming

 

[Sparky270]

Change of direction for David Wilson

http://www.velo2bike.com/en/pages/accueil.html

he was allright !

 

[Sheepfarming]

Hi anybody on here from the UK or Ireland who have moved to France to farm? Would you be able to drop me a message please. I am looking into moving over at the moment. Any help would be much appreciated. Hope to hear from you soon