farming post brexit

[som farmer]

as farming moves into a new phase, all sorts of things will change, as we learn to compete in a world market, been following some American farmers on u tube, many of their farmers have the same sorts of problems as we do. 1 problem we have, that they don't, is cattle ID, how do you think red tractor would cope with, basically no cattle ID ? Cows, calves, steers, in the USA do not have individual farm tags, some animals are heat branded to ranches, but ones I have been following, it's a straight numbered tag, 1 farmer puts 2 consecutive numbers in each cow/calf, ie no 48 and 49, just in case he loses 1. That is all the ID for that animal needs to go through market. No BCMS, no trading standards, calves going through market ( cattle exchange shed) with no tags at all. The first thought, bliss. But we are meant to be having a good deal with the USA, how can we compete with that ? Will supermarkets insist on birth to plate records ? If they do, damn certain the 'processed' food manafacturers won't. So, as we move into the future, red tractor will increase regs, but we will compete with b-all regs !

 

[Tim W]

Don't worry ---Boris is going to sort it with a little help from his mate Donny

 

[Tim W]

Don't worry ---Boris is going to sort it with a little help from his mate Donny

And that's not the funny part ---the joke is that ''we'' voted him in

 

[Hilly]

And that's not the funny part ---the joke is that ''we'' voted him in

Mind if we had voted the other fella in it wouldn’t even be funny.

 

[Happy]

Don't worry ---Boris is going to sort it with a little help from his mate Donny

Yep, we won’t be able to compete with it @som farmer. That’s the plan and even better, Boris can kill two birds with one stone.
No need for anyone here to be producing beef(or anything edible really) jumping through traceability hoops. Donald can supply all that for us.
We are to save the world planting our bit of it with trees to sell carbon credits to EasyJet, Shell etc. to save the planet.
What could possibly go wrong?

 

[som farmer]

that's why we hope to sell a lot of cows this spring, to leave us pretty much debt free, working on premis, no one has a clue, on how it will affect us !

 

[Still Farming]

Think positively.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

I would think that debt reduction would be prudent, going forward

That would keep you flexible to changes and new opportunities

 

[firther]

as farming moves into a new phase, all sorts of things will change, as we learn to compete in a world market, been following some American farmers on u tube, many of their farmers have the same sorts of problems as we do. 1 problem we have, that they don't, is cattle ID, how do you think red tractor would cope with, basically no cattle ID ? Cows, calves, steers, in the USA do not have individual farm tags, some animals are heat branded to ranches, but ones I have been following, it's a straight numbered tag, 1 farmer puts 2 consecutive numbers in each cow/calf, ie no 48 and 49, just in case he loses 1. That is all the ID for that animal needs to go through market. No BCMS, no trading standards, calves going through market ( cattle exchange shed) with no tags at all. The first thought, bliss. But we are meant to be having a good deal with the USA, how can we compete with that ? Will supermarkets insist on birth to plate records ? If they do, damn certain the 'processed' food manafacturers won't. So, as we move into the future, red tractor will increase regs, but we will compete with b-all regs !

that's nothing, did you read that thread on extensive farming in china, that were on here just before Christmas. If that takes off they will be producing food for the masses at no doubt less cost

 

[Woolless]

And that's not the funny part ---the joke is that ''we'' voted him in

Speaking to a mate back over from China for Christmas yesterday. While we ended at the Chinese totalitarian state, the Chinese laugh at two of the world's most prominent democracies voting in 'The Orange Man' (Trump) and 'The Clown' (BoJo). We get the politicians we deserve....

 

[Agrivator]

USA military bases in the UK always used to import USA beef for their GIs and Air force personnel. It was because they thought our beef was inferior to theirs.

They have no taste or class, because they also imported Lucky Strike, in preference to our Woodbines.

 

[Guiggs]

Speaking to a mate back over from China for Christmas yesterday. While we ended at the Chinese totalitarian state, the Chinese laugh at two of the world's most prominent democracies voting in 'The Orange Man' (Trump) and 'The Clown' (BoJo). We get the politicians we deserve....

People often deride those they most fear and or envy. Dont know about Johnson yet but trump has made it pretty clear he is prepared to call out the Chinese government and will do business on his terms not theirs.

 

[Hilly]

Speaking to a mate back over from China for Christmas yesterday. While we ended at the Chinese totalitarian state, the Chinese laugh at two of the world's most prominent democracies voting in 'The Orange Man' (Trump) and 'The Clown' (BoJo). We get the politicians we deserve....

I’d rather be an ordinary citizen in USA or uk than China , let them laugh he who laughs lasts laughs longest.

 

[som farmer]

I’d rather be an ordinary citizen in USA or uk than China , let them laugh he who laughs lasts laughs longest.

China has a unique problem, due to their 1 child policy, they have an ageing, mainly male, population, the future of them, is unresolved, will it mean a serious slow down in their economy, due to retirement, forced or voluntary, and labour required to cater for them.

 

[som farmer]

will Europe give us a good deal ?
found these figures on the net, these are figures quoted as GDP to debt, as a % as the world ranking, 1 worst.
no 3 Greece, 176.6 %
no 5 Italy 133.2 %
no 6 Portugal 117.6 %
no 11 Belgium 101 %
no 12 France 99.3 %
no 13 Spain 96.4 %
no 14 Cyprus 96.1 %
the uk comes in at 22, with 85.6%, ahead of some serious other countries.
Greece topped out at 27.5 % unemployment.
we are the 5th richest economy, worldwide
we produce 13% of the EU's wealth, and 10% of its population,
we have the fastest growing city in the EU, London, and the lowest unemployed %.
These are figures that I cannot say I heard quoted, at the referendum, or g election, but they make some pretty grim reading, for the remaining countries. These figures, should have mean't the commission, should have adopted a different approach to Brexit, rather than trying to shaft us, and use it as a 'threat' to other members, to discourage any thoughts of leaving. They should have gone to great lengths, to keep us closely allied to them, nicely. Plus we provide the largest military contribution as well. I think this illustrates, how far the commission, is from the EU electorate, and fits neatly with the rise of the 'right', unfortuantly the 'far right' as well. Let us hope, that the individual countries leaders, can make the commission see sense, and workout a sensible deal.
To top this, an aspiring leader of the labour party, want's us to rejoin ! duh.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Whilst I fully support the PM's mantra of 'getting Brexit' as leaving at the end of the month removes the stale-mate of trying to remain, Brexit will probably not be fully completed for many years, if not decades.
This is not necessarily a bad thing, just a recognition that it is a process, not an event.
I think agriculture is quite lucky with it's timing as it overlaps the fazing out of the current BPS and the huge rise in consideration of climate change.
It is pretty much impossible to predict the direction of agriculture over the next decade, without the added complication of Brexit, but I feel it is highly probable that being independent from the EU will give the UK a considerable advantage.
I guess my answer to the the question is, don't wait or plan for 'post brexit' but be ready for change and try to make your business as resilient as possible to cope with what is very likely to be very fluctuating market conditions.

 

[farmerm]

And that's not the funny part ---the joke is that ''we'' voted him in

Plenty of us didn’t for for him but rather we voted against the alternative

 

[Danllan]

The most rational course of action is to reduce liabilities and inputs as far as you can and keep as many options open as possible.

Don't worry ---Boris is going to sort it with a little help from his mate Donny

See below...

Yep, we won’t be able to compete with it @som farmer. That’s the plan and even better, Boris can kill two birds with one stone.
No need for anyone here to be producing beef(or anything edible really) jumping through traceability hoops. Donald can supply all that for us.
We are to save the world planting our bit of it with trees to sell carbon credits to EasyJet, Shell etc. to save the planet.
What could possibly go wrong?

Of course, being in an undemocratic, unsustainable and protectionist block would have meant jam for tea for ever.

 

[Agrivator]

Speaking to a mate back over from China for Christmas yesterday. While we ended at the Chinese totalitarian state, the Chinese laugh at two of the world's most prominent democracies voting in 'The Orange Man' (Trump) and 'The Clown' (BoJo). We get the politicians we deserve....

What has Boris done (since becoming PM at least) that you disagree with?

 

[Hfd Cattle]

What has Boris done (since becoming PM at least) that you disagree with?

I'm afraid whatever Boris does or doesn't do will be a bone of contention with some but I think now he is in and in overwhelmingly then at least give him a chance . He has 4 yrs to prove himself .