Fengrain Storage (275t) available to buy at a discounted price

[Warp Land Farmer]

Out of interest what is this worth??

 

[D14]

Going to be interesting who the processors prefer to deal with in the future. Pooled stores of grains exact grade and spec for every load or hundreds of variable spec stuff from lots of different farms. Just the carbon footprint of rejections needs to be quantified in the future, what about carbon footprint of milling wheat where the N is too high? Agree if you are just growing feed stuff it’s not worth putting into CS. If you structure a business around putting most stuff into a CS there is other ways to offset the perceived higher cost, you need less full time staff (or none in our case on 1200ha) as their is essentially nothing to do all winter apart from a bit of maintenance and pigeon scaring. For us works really well and is cost effective. And we have to view it as more than just a place grain goes, it is an extension of our business and an important link from farm to our processing customers which personally I think is going to become more important into the future.

Your grain leaves your farm to go to the CS. That’s journey no 1. Your grain then leaves the CS to go to the processor. That’s journey no 2.

My grain leaves the farm and goes to the processor so CS carbon footprint is worse.

 

[ajd132]

Your grain leaves your farm to go to the CS. That’s journey no 1. Your grain then leaves the CS to go to the processor. That’s journey no 2.

My grain leaves the farm and goes to the processor so CS carbon footprint is worse.

See what you mean buts it’s abit more complicated than that if you do a carbon audit.

 

[Brisel]

Your grain leaves your farm to go to the CS. That’s journey no 1. Your grain then leaves the CS to go to the processor. That’s journey no 2.

My grain leaves the farm and goes to the processor so CS carbon footprint is worse.

That adds cost too. Another store has to add value that exceeds the extra haul to be a viable investment

 

[ajd132]

That adds cost too. Another store has to add value that exceeds the extra haul to be a viable investment

I agree. Some crops aren’t worth taking in. We keep beans on farm. Camgrain tell members what varieties of wheat they want and can add value to so are good in that way. We grow Costello and Siskin for the clean wheat plant. The point is regularly made how important the agronomics of varieties are now.

 

[snarling bee]

I seem to manage to harvest grain, stick it on floor, dry if necessary, cool it, and send it direct to mill at full group 1 spec without a problem. I don't clean it, mix it, blend it or do anything else. I can't remember the last time I had claim. I seemed to manage that in 2012 as well. What's the problem??

 

[ace]

I seem to manage to harvest grain, stick it on floor, dry if necessary, cool it, and send it direct to mill at full group 1 spec without a problem. I don't clean it, mix it, blend it or do anything else. I can't remember the last time I had claim. I seemed to manage that in 2012 as well. What's the problem??

There is obviously no problem for you,as clearly you are an expert.

 

[snarling bee]

I think I am fortunate with our climate and soils. We are not on top yielding land, but almost always get milling quality with 275kg N at 8 to 10 t/ha, with first ,second and continuous wheats. We grow a fair bit for Warburtons who only require 12.5% protein, but don't allow foliar N (urea). If we do go better that 10t/ha we don't tend to loose protein. (We tend to struggle to get low enough N with malting barley, so there is something about this soil and microclimate that gives us good proteins/N in the grain. I now grow high N distilling barley which worked very well last year.)
I don't see how the mixing/blending bit can really gain much. You can't blend hagberg, and if farmer A has low sp. wt. or protein won't everyone?
We looked at Camgrain, but decided to build our own store. At the time CG wanted £11 tonne annual charge IIRC, I wasn't prepared to pay that and the tonnage 'investment' which we would be unlikely to see back.

 

[Hereward]

I seem to manage to harvest grain, stick it on floor, dry if necessary, cool it, and send it direct to mill at full group 1 spec without a problem. I don't clean it, mix it, blend it or do anything else. I can't remember the last time I had claim. I seemed to manage that in 2012 as well. What's the problem??

If you've been in a grain store as the combine is sending it in at 40t/hr, the drier can only do 10t/hr and you've then got to load/unload drier, find somewhere to tip that awaiting the drier, deal with warm grain coming out the drier etc.

You can see the appeal of CS, but I appreciate if you have invested in a good drier and handling system and/or are blessed with good weather it probably seems expensive and unnecessary.

 

[teslacoils]

Cut it, cart it, forget about it. I've better things to do at 6am during half term and Christmas week than load wagons.

Cs work for their owners. Mills and merchants work together against farmers.

Anyway, just shows you can sell space at stores quickly and easily. Suppose this is easier at the better stores.

 

[Hereward]

Cut it, cart it, forget about it. I've better things to do at 6am during half term and Christmas week than load wagons.

Cs work for their owners. Mills and merchants work together against farmers.

Anyway, just shows you can sell space at stores quickly and easily. Suppose this is easier at the better stores.

CG problem is they keep building more, it would in a perverse way perhaps be better if they stopped building and rebalanced the supply and demand.

On Farm stores are brilliant... for converting to alternative uses.

 

[teslacoils]

Sadly my very 60s grain store is not well sited. Although it could be used as a makeway for a better project. In reality, it's a liability.

 

[Hereward]

Sadly my very 60s grain store is not well sited. Although it could be used as a makeway for a better project. In reality, it's a liability.

Not even for caravan storage?

 

[snarling bee]

If you've been in a grain store as the combine is sending it in at 40t/hr, the drier can only do 10t/hr and you've then got to load/unload drier, find somewhere to tip that awaiting the drier, deal with warm grain coming out the drier etc.

You can see the appeal of CS, but I appreciate if you have invested in a good drier and handling system and/or are blessed with good weather it probably seems expensive and unnecessary.

We are all on floor drying. Pros and Cons, but it suits us. Can fill stores as fast as we can push up. The next grain movement is to the mill.

 

[Hereward]

We are all on floor drying. Pros and Cons, but it suits us. Can fill stores as fast as we can push up. The next grain movement is to the mill.

What's the maximum moisture you can dry?

That's the way, cut it dry, heap it high and haul to the mill!

 

[Lincsman]

What's the maximum moisture you can dry?

That's the way, cut it dry, heap it high and haul to the mill!

There is no maximum, just need lots of fan power and dry air, had some up to 24% before now, not too deep and stirring helps.

 

[teslacoils]

Not even for caravan storage?

Nah. It's two 300t bays and 10x40t bins. Roof too low for modern trailers. And the shed blocks the view from the house. Would add more value to the house taking it down, but handy for 400t of crop. It can come down as part of a scheme when I want to tidy the place up for sale one day.

 

[ajd132]

CG problem is they keep building more, it would in a perverse way perhaps be better if they stopped building and rebalanced the supply and demand.

On Farm stores are brilliant... for converting to alternative uses.

Absolutely agree with that

 

[ajd132]

I do wonder how many really know their cost of handling, from labour through to drying, rejections, opportunities lost on premiums and opportunity cost of old sheds. I would suspect this is a big diluted cost and quite hard to work out.

 

[Flat 10]

I do wonder how many really know their cost of handling, from labour through to drying, rejections, opportunities lost on premiums and opportunity cost of old sheds. I would suspect this is a big diluted cost and quite hard to work out.

Do you not have to tip grain in a shed and then load it into a lorry anyway? Or are you chasing into your own wagons? You run them don't you? Cos then there is savings but if you are hauling back to farm to then load out a week later i don't really get it.