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And you say that organic production can't feed the world.So at what price point for N do you fallow your farm ?
early bought N which seemed expensive at the time now looks cheap, how about selling it on and taking a year out ?
Not really, over population comes home to roost..And you say that organic production can't feed the world.
Your reliance on energy hungry chemical inputs comes home to roost your surrender
What a joke!
organic can’t feed the world ,that is a fact, only a fool would think cutting output by 50% or more would still provide enough food to go around, and that’s before predicted population growth over the next few decadesAnd you say that organic production can't feed the world.
Your reliance on energy hungry chemical inputs comes home to roost you surrender
What a joke!
Just face it Clive, your reliance on chemicals has made you realise that your farming system isn't fit for purpose.organic can’t feed the world ,that is a fact, only a fool would think cutting output by 50% or more would still provide enough food to go around, and that’s before predicted population growth over the next few decades
cutting waste etc valid points but in reality easier said than done and probably nowhere close to enough in reality
economics don’t work either, either organic looses it premium as it becomes default and becomes unviable for farmers or food prices rise dramatically and Billions can no longer afford to eat ………. Not selfish at all !
equally you are right - Reliance upon synthetic inputs is completely unsustainable !
so unless we can find another way pretty dam fast things don’t look pretty !
Stick or twist, it's Vegas baby ... but without the glamour.
You can't get out when you the stock is worth nothing, so you have to keep going.
Best time to expand is when the market is on the floor if your pockets are deep enough.
I'm sure there are a lot of arable farmers queuing up to get into pigs at the moment with the end of bps round the corner. In fact I am offering a few weeks of work experience at the moment cleaning out dirty summer finishing pens if there are any takers.
seeing your post reminded me of a reply i got to a pig farming thread i started in julyGot to be in it, to win it.
Came across a european farmer on twitter complaining he was having to go back to ploughing his nicely conditioned no till soils because certain chemicals needed for no till were banned, out of interest is this likely to happen here?organic can’t feed the world ,that is a fact, only a fool would think cutting output by 50% or more would still provide enough food to go around, and that’s before predicted population growth over the next few decades
cutting waste etc valid points but in reality easier said than done and probably nowhere close to enough in reality
economics don’t work either, either organic looses it premium as it becomes default and becomes unviable for farmers or food prices rise dramatically and Billions can no longer afford to eat ………. Not selfish at all !
equally you are right - Reliance upon synthetic inputs is completely unsustainable !
so unless we can find another way pretty dam fast things don’t look pretty !
Just face it Clive, your reliance on chemicals has made you realise that your farming system isn't fit for purpose.
Everything else you have said is your opinion not backed up by evidence. If the supply of food so cheap that it can be wasted is the backbone of your business then population growth will just add to the fact that a system so reliant on energy input is doomed to fail or is that fallow. Propped up by SFI it seems.
Came across a european farmer on twitter complaining he was having to go back to ploughing his nicely conditioned no till soils because certain chemicals needed for no till were banned, out of interest is this likely to happen here?
Even now its not viable if you are talking about fallowing your farm. Is the system really working?that’s true Sid. - I did realise my reliance on chemicals and other synthetic inputs was not fit for purpose ………. About 15 years ago now as it goes ! Hence the changes I have made and hope to continue to make
what’s not factual about cutting food production by 50% or more not feeding the world ? Do with currently produce 150% plus if requirments at the moment ? …….. no
i would keep quiet and protect your premiums if I were you, if organic became default there would be no premium and viability would disappear
8.4 million live in food poverty in the UK alone …….. can’t see them paying Dayelsford farm prices can you ?
synthitic agriculture is broken, organic is NOT a viable solution however
somewhere between organic and synthetic maybe the answer - some call it regenerative ? Maybe it’s the future, maybe it’s not but pretty sure the current polarisd organic or synthetic approaches as we know them are not
Organic dont work perfect mate.Even now its not viable if you are talking about fallowing your farm. Is the system really working?
Even with your so called efficient system your still leaving 8.4 million in food poverty. Is the system really working?
The system of synthetic based agricultural you are involved in is broken call it regenerative if you like it's still over reliant on energy, so you just fallow pick up your subs, the SFI bailout for the broken system and not feed anyone?
And you say that better than organic, not producing anything? Is thw system really working?
You keep telling me to keep quiet.
This is an open forum as is twitter.
Your state you get no "privileges" over any other member, who's asking the questions to Janet Hughes with the regen arable slant?
Look forward to the livestock based questions
So at what price point for N do you fallow your farm ?
early bought N which seemed expensive at the time now looks cheap, how about selling it on and taking a year out ?
Gene modification for N fixing nodules on wheat roots doesn't look so Frankenstein now .............
(was going to be the coming thing back in the early 80s IIRC)
Surely the push should now be to sell at an adjusted price ?
Was talking to the old man whilst he was onto a grain trader.
So what should the adjusted price of Wheat be ? Shouldn't we all be asking for significantly more ?
You can't increase food prices, 8.4 million are in food poverty in the UK according to Clive and then he says you have to feed the world.
Bad luck
Just face it Clive, your reliance on chemicals has made you realise that your farming system isn't fit for purpose.
I'm assuming you don't use or rely on diesel then, what with it being a chemical AND an unsustainable source of energy...The system of synthetic based agricultural you are involved in is broken call it regenerative if you like it's still over reliant on energy
You can't increase food prices, 8.4 million are in food poverty in the UK according to Clive and then he says you have to feed the world.
Bad luck
Bio dieselI'm assuming you don't use or rely on diesel then, what with it being a chemical AND an unsustainable source of energy...
I didn't say you couldn't increase food prices Clive did.I think you are a bit wrong there.
Wheat at 20p per loaf isn't expensive. There's more variation in supermarkets on the price of a loaf than the cost of Wheat.
Wheat at 40p per loaf isn't expensive either.