Finally! Someone talking sense

[farmgineer]

Hopefully this link works...

This guy has put together a video debunking the onslaught of vgn propaganda against the meat/dairy industry. Thought I'd post for interest, it may already have been found and be elsewhere on here.

My review is that it's a breath of fresh air to hear a properly put together argument on our side. The downside is that it's a bit long as it tackles all the issues in one video, but if it were split into bitesize chunks it would be a lot better.

 

[vantage]

Hopefully this link works...

This guy has put together a video debunking the onslaught of vgn propaganda against the meat/dairy industry. Thought I'd post for interest, it may already have been found and be elsewhere on here.

My review is that it's a breath of fresh air to hear a properly put together argument on our side. The downside is that it's a bit long as it tackles all the issues in one video, but if it were split into bitesize chunks it would be a lot better.

Cannot repeat often enough, I posted it on another thread, people should be glad it’s there as reference.

 

[Chris F]

Added to Farm TV on here.

 

[Norfolk Hill Farmer]

Would be good if this video could be seen by the masses.

 

[colhonk]

Trouble is, a vegan will never watch this.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

And share this one far and wide. Again, quite long read but drives a coach and horses through the Vegan "The rainforest is being cut down to feed cows" argument....

Sustainable Food Trust

Are dairy cows and livestock behind the growth of soya in South America?

sustainablefoodtrust.org

 

[delilah]

What a crock of sh!t. I gave up about 2 minutes in, when he says that if everyone went vegan then GHG emissions would fall by 2.6%. Er, no. If everyone went vegan then GHG emissions would rise. Quite why anyone thinks that it is a good idea to promote the idea that cows are bad for the planet is beyond me.

 

[delilah]

He says 2.6%
The NFU say 3.7%
They are very precise figures. They can't both be right, so either:
a) One of them is right
b) They are both wrong.
Its b.

I will tell you exactly what is going on here. That Frank bloke, and all the other so-called supporters of livestock agriculture, they are researchers and academics. They need this thing to keep trundling along so that they keep getting paid to produce a few more numbers. They are as bad as Joseph Poore and co, just playing you all for fools.

 

[daveydiesel1]

The other day i was takin out the cows in the mornin. Up the top of our farm i have a view of around 10 miles. Stood and looked at the view it w2as nice sunny weather and could hear birds singin away and all the fields are dark green. Beautiful. Later that day i had to go into belfast for bearings and it just struck me about the amount of cars and businesses all polluting with exhaust fumes and electric and heating. How they ever come up with farmers are bad, keepin cows and polluting is beyond me. The contrast in the 2 places i seen that day is different as day and night.

 

[Tarw Coch]

The other day i was takin out the cows in the mornin. Up the top of our farm i have a view of around 10 miles. Stood and looked at the view it w2as nice sunny weather and could hear birds singin away and all the fields are dark green. Beautiful. Later that day i had to go into belfast for bearings and it just struck me about the amount of cars and businesses all polluting with exhaust fumes and electric and heating. How they ever come up with farmers are bad, keepin cows and polluting is beyond me. The contrast in the 2 places i seen that day is different as day and night.

Not only have they come up with the cows are bad for the planet spin, they have repeated it so many times that it has become an accepted truth.
Turning that around is quite some challenge

 

[delilah]

Not only have they come up with the cows are bad for the planet spin, they have repeated it so many times that it has become an accepted truth.
Turning that around is quite some challenge

Especially when we agree with them.

 

[milkloss]

He says 2.6%
The NFU say 3.7%
They are very precise figures. They can't both be right, so either:
a) One of them is right
b) They are both wrong.
Its b.

I will tell you exactly what is going on here. That Frank bloke, and all the other so-called supporters of livestock agriculture, they are researchers and academics. They need this thing to keep trundling along so that they keep getting paid to produce a few more numbers. They are as bad as Joseph Poore and co, just playing you all for fools.

just like the ones saying that coronavirus came from bats. Translate this into 'if it came from a lab my funding will disappear...... please give me more money than ever before'

 

[delilah]

just like the ones saying that coronavirus came from bats. Translate this into 'if it came from a lab my funding will disappear...... please give me more money than ever before'

The way we are responding to all of this, I am expecting the NFU to issue a press release saying that covid came from cows.

 

[Daddy Pig]

some interesting figures in Which magazine today, apparently it takes 628 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk (global impact) but only 248 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk in Europe.
Carbon emissions globally are 3.2 co2eq (whatever that is)per litre and 2.2 in Europe, but only 0.7 for Almond milk.

 

[delilah]

Q: When did we start eating meat ?
A: When we came down from the trees.

Q: When did man-made co2 emissions first exceed natural background co2 emissions ?
A: 1863.

It's nothing to do with the cows. That is all we need to be saying. All this % nonsense is just feeding the narrative that cows are to blame, with the only issue being to what extent.

 

[Tarw Coch]

some interesting figures in Which magazine today, apparently it takes 628 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk (global impact) but only 248 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk in Europe.
Carbon emissions globally are 3.2 co2eq (whatever that is)per litre and 2.2 in Europe, but only 0.7 for Almond milk.

When I was a kid in school I had to show my workings out so that when I got the answer wrong, teacher could see where I went wrong.
Same applies here, 628 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk is a wildly inaccurate figure but where did they go wrong?

 

[Raider112]

Can anybody put up a screen and speakers and have that on a loop in front of those crusties at the Macdonalds depots?

 

[Bushmog]

This is a great video. We just need the masses to see it. Most of us agree that livestock isn't the problem but we are the minority! The numbers generated need to be correct and as can be seen by the video, they can be manipulated to look good or bad, on whoever's view point.
Just as said earlier, look at a livestock farming landscape and a city, where would you rather be!
I've sent a link of this video to some friends in the teaching world, if we can all do this, then children will get a much more balanced view.

 

[Muddyroads]

When I was a kid in school I had to show my workings out so that when I got the answer wrong, teacher could see where I went wrong.
Same applies here, 628 litres of water to produce 1 litre of milk is a wildly inaccurate figure but where did they go wrong?

Probably took into account the amount of rainfall on 1 litre of milks worth of grass over an entire year!

 

[neilo]

Probably took into account the amount of rainfall on 1 litre of milks worth of grass over an entire year!

There are plenty of big milk producing areas that use irrigation to grow the necessary grass & crops, quite apart from what the animals drink.

Of course, all that water is continually cycled, so it’s not ‘lost’ in any way, as well as growing more plant matter, which cycles more Carbon.