Financial value of FYM

[Chae1]

ill bet though if it had been a drought summer like 2018 that field which got 70 trailer loads of dung would outyield the others by a huge margin

Why muck doesn't = water. We had plenty crop failures 2018 that were plastered in muck.

 

[livestock 1]

Muck feeds the soil fert feeds the plant. Be interesting to see what happens next year. Although your 30 year without muck field alters that theory

 

[Durry cows]

Pig FYM now worth probably £12-15 tonne.
But £10 of that is the monetary value of the straw we put in (@ £60 tonne). Nutrient value of straw is obviously less. Say £8 value of nutrients in a tonne straw which is £1.40 per tonne muck

Thought I’d read on here the value of straw to be around £30/ton? @Kiwi Pete can you give any pointers? Obviously buying in carbon and p/k worm food etc

 

[Chae1]

Muck feeds the soil fert feeds the plant. Be interesting to see what happens next year. Although your 30 year without muck field alters that theory

We've a farm hasn't had muck for 15 years. Continous spring barley. Putting some on this year due to fert price.

 

[livestock 1]

We've a farm hasn't had muck for 15 years. Continous spring barley. Putting some on this year due to fert price.

We have a similar situation on the go here. Been stockpiling muck which I started to spread a while back. The grass hasn’t half shifted on the land which usually just has fert on. Pleased we have the muck now

 

[Bossfarmer]

Why muck doesn't = water. We had plenty crop failures 2018 that were plastered in muck.

plenty of moisture in it if you lay it on thick, im surprised by that because fields i mucked heavy were a different world to unmucked fields that year

 

[Fish]

There are fields on this farm that have never had any muck in at least 45 year, and probably never had any since they were ploughed out in the early sixties and still they will do 10t+ wheat, 1.7 rape etc.
Muck is good, but it’s not quite the magic ingredient some people seem to think it is.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Thought I’d read on here the value of straw to be around £30/ton? @Kiwi Pete can you give any pointers? Obviously buying in carbon and p/k worm food etc

I guess, as with muck you're "painting life on the field", and life is intrinsically empty and meaningless.... whatever value you place on it is what its value is. Just pick a number to make the books balance.

If you put 1 ton on and made 60 grand out of your crops then it has a different value (to you) than if you put 10 ton on and ran at a loss; or if you put bag fert on too then the nutrients are worth nowt as the crop will use the soluble ones instead of the organic ones as that microbial/symbiotc plant relationship is less required (path of least resistance)

so it's really quite arbitrary IMO, each farm is unique

 

[Bogweevil]

Why muck doesn't = water. We had plenty crop failures 2018 that were plastered in muck.

Manuring adds increases water holding capacity of the soil by the equivalent of two inches of rain. Round here in the south-east we run a 6 inch deficit by August in most years on sandy soils. So manure or compost takes us through to mid-August, not drastic but useful - we depend on some summer rain on sandy ground. In 2018 we were in deep soil moisture deficit by mid-July and yields were slashed even where amply manured.

 

[Dave6170]

Again, slightly off topic. Perhaps the use of wormers causes this? Try not to treat the cattle just before housing as their pats never break down over winter and look lifeless.

Would the muck from grazing cattle that have had a wormer bolus be the same? Would the treatment pass through and affect the life in the soil?

 

[milkloss]

Would the muck from grazing cattle that have had a wormer bolus be the same? Would the treatment pass through and affect the life in the soil?

There are others that will know far more than I do but I reckon yes. Whether it would break down in a manure pile I don't know but I have noticed 'inert' pats this time of year in the field.

 

[livestock 1]

There are others that will know far more than I do but I reckon yes. Whether it would break down in a manure pile I don't know but I have noticed 'inert' pats this time of year in the field.

I’ve noticed this too. Not sure it’s anything to do with worming maybe temperature or time of year

 

[Fish]

There are others that will know far more than I do but I reckon yes. Whether it would break down in a manure pile I don't know but I have noticed 'inert' pats this time of year in the field.

This was one of the first things we noticed when we changed to using ivomectin blouses in, I guess the late 80s, The cow pats just didn’t break down as quickly as before when using the old drench system, you could turn over old dried out pats and there was simply no life in them.

 

[teslacoils]

The dichotomy is that, for the farmer with excess fym, they think it's worth £10 when in reality it's only worth that once delivered and spread. To the arable farmer it's still worth that £10, but not ex the stock farm. Delivering it, loading and spreading will take all its value.

The discussion then goes "ah but what about the om etc" Vs "ah but ruts etc".

A stock farmer who needs to get rid probably has a muck for straw deal. An arable farmer who seriously wants fym maybe has built a pig shed.

 

[ShooTa]

Would the muck from grazing cattle that have had a wormer bolus be the same? Would the treatment pass through and affect the life in the soil?

theres a study which has shown this to be true - i cant remember if its to do with teither the pfla or claire whittle

 

[Chickcatcher]

Recently attended gathering which was talking about spreading rules. Main outcome was Know what your Manure is (get it tested) know what your fields statuses are (get them tested) and have a look at and use the Defra "Planet" "Manner" spread sheets and calculations. There Value of the manure is I think financially unbelievable.

 

[Brisel]

Recently attended gathering which was talking about spreading rules. Main outcome was Know what your Manure is (get it tested) know what your fields statuses are (get them tested) and have a look at and use the Defra "Planet" "Manner" spread sheets and calculations. There Value of the manure is I think financially unbelievable.

What was their value? Total nutrient or available?

 

[Chickcatcher]

I have still to have mine tested as the last 2 years exported all as feeling we may be struggling with very highP and K levels. According to the meeting it would be hard to justify application in late Summer because of these High levels. I need a lot more learning.
What are on Manner is actually very close to the last test levels we did 5 years ago and at that time we were only applying 6t/Ha. 3 crops of litter gave me a total farm cover (75Ha) at that rate.

 

[Horn&corn]

Anyone done any recent values now fert has gone crazy?