For fluke sake Help!!

[trewern]

if you were 100% resistance and then Diluted the resistant population by 1% by introducing nonresitstant stock,leaving 99% resistance then repeat the process multiple times through grazing rotation and a rotation of non resistant carriers over a period of a time surely you can breed out resistance fluke along with not using the resistant drug and choosing other products to dilute resistance. The only problem I can see that stock known to be 100% non resistant need to be infected with fluke at the time be placed on known resistant pasture thus reinfection occurs but mating with resistant flukes now this stock is carrying resistant flukes and are no longer a viable to use to dilute resistance so fresh nonresistant stock would need to be added. And resistant drug may take years to become even half effective All this with a small chance of diluting resistance if even possible at all! U need to be a scientist to understand it all

 

[bovine]

I was talking to the vet about this, only with regards to worms. We’ve done worm counts and found white wormer 100% effective here. I thought these might be worth something but the vet said in basic terms, say a sheep had 100 worms then the field would be carrying 100,000 so wouldn’t be enough to make a difference!

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Thing is it varies at different times of the year. If you read any of the SCOPS stuff this is where they talk about managing the population of worms 'in refugia'. On a truely clean field all the worms would be in the sheep, if wormed with an effective product then turned out all the worms would be in the environment. In reality the numbers vary by so many factors. The only worms we expose to the product are those in the sheep.

They have done experiments reintroducing sheep to land that had triple drench resistance after a number of years and the resistant worms seem to come back in vengeance relatively quickly.

 

[Farmingonline]

Thanks for all reply’s. all are well appreciated but just to give a better understanding this had been a issue I have been aware of for a number of years as regards and find the situation constantly challenging ! Over the last couple of years having lost stock over the winter having and having vet post-mortems carried out confirmed acute and Cronic fluke.

in September 16 as recommended the previous year 15 by the vets we treated with a triclabendazole to target early fluke. however we continued to lose stock into the winter 16. further post-mortems revealed acute cronic liver fluke so further recomendations buy the vet was possible resistance to triclabendazole but this could not be confirmed until futher testing at that point of time. recommendations we’re to treat using flukivor for 3 ocassions at 6 week intervals because of the Heavy burden and rate of re infection until stock was housed at lambing .

At this point of time I was convinced there was resistance but had no hard evidence of at what level so after being intouch the manufacture of the drench and having talks regarding resistance and effectiveness of products we became part of a nationwide parasite watch program to try an make us and other livestock farmers locally and nationally understand a little more about times of year levels types of worms and parasites all our results are available to view along with others. We now work along side Zoetis with the help of there vets to try to establish and remedy any issues within test results.
https://www.zoetis.co.uk/livestock-farming/parasite-watch-map.aspx ( farm located in cardiff)
All our treatments are based on detailed analysis of test results which I hope to help slow the resistance or any further resistances this helps me establish burdens and effectiveness of products along with only treating when needed and a saving on products along with labour.
Into this year copa antigen test at lambing showed 4 after the final flukivour No flukeicides were used from April to September in the understanding that levels of infection and lifecycle were low at these times of year (also following vets plan written previous year) no further tests were carried out until August of this year were results showed high levels. triclabendazole was also used this September on the basis of the copaantigen test which was of the scale I was also trying to establish the level of resistance to triclabendazole a test carried out three weeks later (results currently not available online) indicated a high rise inlevel of burden showing clear signs of high resistance. flukivor has now been used on the basis of the increased result further tests will be carried out in 3weeks to find out the level of burden and effectiveness of flukivour

As for stock and ground the groups consist of 220 ewes 160 ewe lambs 100 weathers 20 tups and teasers we have four blocks of ground totalling 210 acres which all have natural water causes and tend to get really wet this time of year through to spring. there is no way of keeping stock off ground as that’s all that is available drainage can and is being improved but takes time.

I think I’m just looking for the advice of the fellow stock keepers expecally those with known or possible resistance to try and compare their treatment procedure and schedule to see what can can’t work and just know there’s others having to deal with the same things I guess. It’s hard enough and costly enough without these problems this can add huge costs to production to prevent losses and maintain a healthy flock.

Once again all help and advice appreciated

 

[Farmingonline]

Hi there ! Farming Online and the Uni of Liverpool are working together to produce a better fluke forecasting app based on the existing Ollerenshaw method only now we are using satellite data to improve the detection forecast We are looking for feedback from producers with fluke problems to find out what farmers would want a detection app to tell them ie when to drench and not to so we can develop it so that it gives optimum help to the producer We are well aware of resistance building up and we think the app could help with that so you are not drenching when you dont have to Can we send you some information on our project and what we are doing ?

 

[Farmingonline]

Exactly this.

We need a system where we test before every fluke/worm dose to check they are needed and then a follow up to make sure its worked. These products in the hands of the trade is a disaster. God help Zolvix/Startect. Spend the money on some testing and decent vet advice and stop misusing these products. I'd like to see them all made prescription only and have some decent supervision over their use, but people get very excited if I say that.

Even with good sheep vets engagement is reasonably poor.

Hi there ! Farming Online and the Uni of Liverpool are working together to produce a better fluke forecasting app based on the existing Ollerenshaw method only now we are using satellite data to improve the detection forecast We are looking for feedback from producers with fluke problems to find out what farmers would want a detection app to tell them ie when to drench and not to so we can develop it so that it gives optimum help to the producer We are well aware of resistance building up and we think the app could help with that so you are not drenching when you dont have to Can we send you some information on our project and what we are doing ?

 

[Bury the Trash]

Hi there ! Farming Online and the Uni of Liverpool are working together to produce a better fluke forecasting app based on the existing Ollerenshaw method only now we are using satellite data to improve the detection forecast We are looking for feedback from producers with fluke problems to find out what farmers would want a detection app to tell them ie when to drench and not to so we can develop it so that it gives optimum help to the producer We are well aware of resistance building up and we think the app could help with that so you are not drenching when you dont have to Can we send you some information on our project and what we are doing ?

Yes , ok.

 

[Farmingonline]

Hi Thanks for coming back to me re our liver fluke early prediction project that we are undertaking with the University of Liverpoolto develop a better Fluke forecasting service (updating the Ollerenshaw risk model) to provide more accurate data.
The application is a service where a user can feed in a location postcode/GPS and feed out a liver-fluke forecast for you farm.
Once live the application will use all parameters such as wind/slopes/drainage/soil moisture to predict fluke risk to keep the front end easy for producers to use.
We are now in a position after development work to release a prototype as we are reaching a point of needing to understand what farmers/producers would find useful as a management tool.
We would welcome your fluke experiences and we would appreciate for example what would you want the traffic light system to indicate to help you highlight fluke risk?
We want to ensure you can use it to adjust fluke management to counter the risk, or be in some way helpful in a typical year.
The link below takes you to the model which can be used on mobiles/ websites/ i-pads etc enabling you to quickly find out the fluke risk for your farm. It is not live - its how we see it looking and we would love feedback on for example how best the traffic light system could be used
https://www.farming-online.co.uk/liverfluke

I look forward to your comments.

Thanks in advance
Vanessa

Farming Online
www.farming.co.uk

 

[Farmingonline]

Hi Thanks for coming back to me re our liver fluke early prediction project that we are undertaking with the University of Liverpoolto develop a better Fluke forecasting service (updating the Ollerenshaw risk model) to provide more accurate data.
The application is a service where a user can feed in a location postcode/GPS and feed out a liver-fluke forecast for you farm.
Once live the application will use all parameters such as wind/slopes/drainage/soil moisture to predict fluke risk to keep the front end easy for producers to use.
We are now in a position after development work to release a prototype as we are reaching a point of needing to understand what farmers/producers would find useful as a management tool.
We would welcome your fluke experiences and we would appreciate for example what would you want the traffic light system to indicate to help you highlight fluke risk?
We want to ensure you can use it to adjust fluke management to counter the risk, or be in some way helpful in a typical year.
The link below takes you to the model which can be used on mobiles/ websites/ i-pads etc enabling you to quickly find out the fluke risk for your farm. It is not live - its how we see it looking and we would love feedback on for example how best the traffic light system could be used
https://www.farming-online.co.uk/liverfluke

I look forward to your comments.

Thanks in advance
Vanessa

Farming Online
www.farming.co.uk

Yes , ok.

hanks for coming back to me re our liver fluke early prediction project that we are undertaking with the University of Liverpoolto develop a better Fluke forecasting service (updating the Ollerenshaw risk model) to provide more accurate data.
The application is a service where a user can feed in a location postcode/GPS and feed out a liver-fluke forecast for you farm.
Once live the application will use all parameters such as wind/slopes/drainage/soil moisture to predict fluke risk to keep the front end easy for producers to use.
We are now in a position after development work to release a prototype as we are reaching a point of needing to understand what farmers/producers would find useful as a management tool.
We would welcome your fluke experiences and we would appreciate for example what would you want the traffic light system to indicate to help you highlight fluke risk?
We want to ensure you can use it to adjust fluke management to counter the risk, or be in some way helpful in a typical year.
The link below takes you to the model which can be used on mobiles/ websites/ i-pads etc enabling you to quickly find out the fluke risk for your farm. It is not live - its how we see it looking and we would love feedback on for example how best the traffic light system could be used
https://www.farming-online.co.uk/liverfluke

I look forward to your comments.

Thanks in advance
Vanessa

 

[bazza3034]

2 mm of ivomec no more bother with flukes