Fungicide costs

[stroller]

I have just worked out my fungicide costs so far, how do they compare?

T0
Brutus 0.5l/ha £ 9.78
Rover 500 1.0l/ha £ 4.40
£14.18
T1
Imtrex 0.75l/ha £17.69
Kestrel 0.6l/ha £21.52
£39.21
T2
Imtrex 1.0l/ha £23.59
Brutus 1.0l/ha £19.56
Rover 500 1.0l/ha £ 4.40
£47.55
Total £100.94

They seem a lot higher than Clives

 

[B'o'B]

I have just worked out my fungicide costs so far, how do they compare?

T0
Brutus 0.5l/ha £ 9.78
Rover 500 1.0l/ha £15.18
£24.96
T1
Imtrex 0.75l/ha £17.69
Kestrel 0.6l/ha £21.52
£39.21
T2
Imtrex 1.0l/ha £23.59
Brutus 1.0l/ha £19.56
Rover 500 1.0l/ha £ 4.40
£47.55
Total £111.72
They seem a lot higher than Clives

Your first dose of Rover cost 3X your second

 

[stroller]

Your first dose of Rover cost 3X your second

Thats what comes of scribbling on the back of an envelope! Should be right now

 

[SilliamWhale]

Mine are a bit less but its basically costing about £12 ton in fungicide costs alone.

But seemingly going for that extra ton is costing a maybe £50 ( which as long as you get it, pays)

 

[franklin]

They seem a lot higher than Clives

They will be.

Lets just look at the actives for one second:

T0

0.5lt Brutus = 19gai/ha epoxiconazole + 14gai/ha metconazole
1lt Rover 500 = 500gai/ha CTL

T1

0.75 Intrex = 47gai/ha fluxapyroxad
0.6 Kestrel = 100gai Prothioconazole + 48gai/ha tebuconazole

T2

1lt Imtrex = 62.5gai/ha fluxapyroxad
1lt Brusut = 37.5gai/ha epoxiconazole + 27.5gai metconazole
1lt Rover 500 = 500gai/ha CTL.


Your Kestrel is working out at £36/litre, whereas to mix your own with Proline and a decent generic teb would cost you the equivalent of £29.64 a litre, so Kestrel 20% too expensive. I expect the Brutus is not cheap. I am just fearful of those tiny doses of azole in T0 and T2.

 

[franklin]

I am also currently using a fag packet, so feel free to correct my maths. Who is doing the agronomy, and do your prices include the walking the crop etc?

 

[stroller]

Agrii do the walking but I pay £3.50/ac and then buy through them for 'near' buying group prices. I don't think my brain could cope with doing a basis course, and keeping up with the legislation so I rely on a crop walker.

 

[stroller]

They will be.

Lets just look at the actives for one second:

T0

0.5lt Brutus = 19gai/ha epoxiconazole + 14gai/ha metconazole
1lt Rover 500 = 500gai/ha CTL

T1

0.75 Intrex = 47gai/ha fluxapyroxad
0.6 Kestrel = 100gai Prothioconazole + 48gai/ha tebuconazole

T2

1lt Imtrex = 62.5gai/ha fluxapyroxad
1lt Brusut = 37.5gai/ha epoxiconazole + 27.5gai metconazole
1lt Rover 500 = 500gai/ha CTL.


Your Kestrel is working out at £36/litre, whereas to mix your own with Proline and a decent generic teb would cost you the equivalent of £29.64 a litre, so Kestrel 20% too expensive. I expect the Brutus is not cheap. I am just fearful of those tiny doses of azole in T0 and T2.

I am just fearful of those tiny doses of azole in T0 and T2. In what way?

 

[franklin]

I just cant help thinking that a T0 spray of 19gai/ha epoxiconazole + 14gai/ha metconazole, ie a tenners worth, is not a good spend. For the same money you could have half a litre of Bowman and get 62.5gai/ha of straight epoxi, or a litre of decent generic teb and get 250gai/ha tebuconazole. A common fungicide for T0 would have been Crafter at anything up to two litres (!) which for £10/ha would have give you 500gai/ha of CTL and 180gai/ha of teb.

For t2 you have a dose of an SDHI, which I think it is common practise to apply with 3/4 rate of a decent (prothioconazole / epoxiconazole) for fear of rapid SDHI resistance. As you have gone for the CTL at T2, an equivalent spend would have got you around 1.3lt/ha of Adexar providing 90gai of the same SDHI and 90gai/ha of epoxiconazole.

I dont know much about brutus - perhaps it has something special in it, but for me I like simple and robust slugs of azoles along with CTL/SDHI as needed.

 

[Clive]

T0

CTL + Epoxi = £10.83/ha

T1

Cherokee = £13.36/ha

T2

Adexar = £30/ha

 

[franklin]

stroller, I have sent you a PM with what I have used, which is pretty much a 90 to 100% dose of some pretty keen chem going on some fairly rusty milling wheats. Hope it helps.

 

[Hampton]

T0
Rubric 0.5l/ha at £17/l
T1
Chord 1l/ha at 23.50/l

T2
Will most likely be 1l Aviator, although I am considering comet plus either rubric or proline.

Might do some and some and then the strob mix programme will be very similar to a 2007 programme. Would be an interesting comparison.

 

[Hampton]

T0

CTL + Epoxi = £10.83/ha

T1

Cherokee = £13.36/ha

T2

Adexar = £30/ha

What are you giving for your adexar? Cheapest price I can find is 31.50/litre. Are you using a litre?

 

[franklin]

Is that for "proper" Adexar, or something like this:

http://www.cpp.ag/Products/Labels/Index_Label.pdf

 

[Clive]

What are you giving for your adexar? Cheapest price I can find is 31.50/litre. Are you using a litre?

£30/L

Is that for "proper" Adexar, or something like this:

http://www.cpp.ag/Products/Labels/Index_Label.pdf

proper stuff

 

[Brisel]

T0
1.5 Crafter
£7.35/ha

T1
0.75 Tracker
0.5 Adexar
1 Rover
£34.07/ha

T2
1.25 Adexar
1 Rover
£43.03/ha

Total so far £84.45/ha, helped by buying the Rover well at £2.90/litre last December

T3
Approx £20/ha. Probably Caramba unless it stays wet then it will be a Proline + generic teb mix

This isn't a manhood measuring contest - septoria pressure in Somerset is going to bust an East Anglian budget & the varieties aren't listed. Santiago or Gallant will need £20/ha more fungicide than Crusoe or Cougar.

 

[franklin]

This isn't a manhood measuring contest - septoria pressure in Somerset is going to bust an East Anglian budget & the varieties aren't listed.

Indeed, which is why I think focusing on cash cost is less important than making sure you get as much *bang* for your *buck*. Which is easier to do by using big dollops of generally available products rather than any fancy distributor mixes. You can buy a lot of performance for £100/ha, but likewise you can buy quite a lot less if you are using products which are really just lining the pockets of the agronomy company.

All my personal opinion of course.

 

[Brisel]

How about expressing fungicide spend as cost per tonne? My budget used to be about £10/tonne but last year that went up to £12.72/t. Don't ask what it was in 2012 but in 2011 it was £8.67/tonne thanks to a good grain fill period, timely rain but not too much of it & a low disease pressure year.

 

[czechmate]

How about expressing fungicide spend as cost per tonne? My budget used to be about £10/tonne but last year that went up to £12.72/t. Don't ask what it was in 2012 but in 2011 it was £8.67/tonne thanks to a good grain fill period, timely rain but not too much of it & a low disease pressure year.

Over £20?

 

[Brisel]

Like I said, don't ask. It will only make me sad again!