Fusion without power beyond?

[manttys]

Is that the valve type you have?. Thats a different one then we get here... Different adjuster screw but does the same thing. Follow the directions.

I cant find a picture of the inline check valve!!. If you go and see your local hydraulic shop and explain what you are doing they will(hopefully)know what you want. Its just a one way valve that screws on behind your hydraulic fitting on the small LS line.

Ok.. Check out if the Tech didnt install a disc. Basically there should be a disc between all valves except the LH end plate. A bit like this.

?= disc.

Endplate SCV1 ? SCV2 ? Prioritysteering ? Rockshaft ? SCV3 ? powerbeyond block.

Hope this helps.

Manual is old edition, they introduced those PB slices later on, I suppose it was an improvement over older ones. My slice is as you are talking about.

So the check valve prevents oil going back to Fusion via LS line.

Your tractor has TLS and cab suspension, to there has to be a disc before Endplate SCV1, but this doesn't bother me. I need to find the disc in between Rockshaft ? powerbeyond block.

The needle thing will go first. This is an actual picture of my tractor. the return line is used by suspension return hose. Your help is really appreciated

 

[NZ Tech]

Manual is old edition, they introduced those PB slices later on, I suppose it was an improvement over older ones. My slice is as you are talking about.

So the check valve prevents oil going back to Fusion via LS line.

Your tractor has TLS and cab suspension, to there has to be a disc before Endplate SCV1, but this doesn't bother me. I need to find the disc in between Rockshaft ? powerbeyond block.

The needle thing will go first. This is an actual picture of my tractor. the return line is used by suspension return hose. Your help is really appreciatedView attachment 66984

Cool... That looks like our types as well.

Ok.. Well this should be basic for you just take your time and be CLEAN!!.

Since its a 20series use the return in the pto housing- Should be in your manual. Off to the RH side slightly below the Toplink holder. Beside the pto speed sensor.

Yeah the Check valve makes sure the oil is going the correct direction.. Just like a diode in Electrical schematic. Fit one only if you dont get very good speed/hydraulic power or any other weird carry on like low SCV flow when the power beyond is plugged in.

 

[manttys]

Cool... That looks like our types as well.

Ok.. Well this should be basic for you just take your time and be CLEAN!!.

Since its a 20series use the return in the pto housing- Should be in your manual. Off to the RH side slightly below the Toplink holder. Beside the pto speed sensor.

Yeah the Check valve makes sure the oil is going the correct direction.. Just like a diode in Electrical schematic. Fit one only if you dont get very good speed/hydraulic power or any other weird carry on like low SCV flow when the power beyond is plugged in.

Yeah, some cleaning would be good think to do. I washed everything off before started plugging in new couplers. now it look a bit different.

As for return, I have been baling with the claas 250 since 2009, to the return hose is present in the place above the pto. Actually when power beyond didn't work, I closed the valve on the fusion and ran it as an open center for some test baling. Tractor had no problem pulling it even uphill. I doubt I takes a lot of power when no functions used, but but I aim to run it as recommended by the McHALE...

 

[NZ Tech]

Yeah, some cleaning would be good think to do. I washed everything off before started plugging in new couplers. now it look a bit different.

As for return, I have been baling with the claas 250 since 2009, to the return hose is present in the place above the pto. Actually when power beyond didn't work, I closed the valve on the fusion and ran it as an open center for some test baling. Tractor had no problem pulling it even uphill. I doubt I takes a lot of power when no functions used, but but I aim to run it as recommended by the McHALE...

Open it didnt heat the oil a bit more than usual??.

It is good... And once going pretty much drama free.

 

[manttys]

Open it didnt heat the oil a bit more than usual??.

It is good... And once going pretty much drama free.

Difficult to say. it was just around 18 degrees and not that much work has been done. But then I could not lift a pickup, because all oil went to the supply. O t was ok for testing, but couldn't work all day long. The tractor also has additional oil tank, just not sure if it helps in terms of oil temperature.

 

[NZ Tech]

How did you get on???..

 

[NZ Tech]

Manual is old edition, they introduced those PB slices later on, I suppose it was an improvement over older ones. My slice is as you are talking about.

So the check valve prevents oil going back to Fusion via LS line.

Your tractor has TLS and cab suspension, to there has to be a disc before Endplate SCV1, but this doesn't bother me. I need to find the disc in between Rockshaft ? powerbeyond block.

The needle thing will go first. This is an actual picture of my tractor. the return line is used by suspension return hose. Your help is really appreciatedView attachment 66984

Oh... And the slice you have on your machine is reliable as. The other you sent in the picture isnt!!!. Ive dealt with them... I dont like them.

 

[manttys]

Oh... And the slice you have on your machine is reliable as. The other you sent in the picture isnt!!!. Ive dealt with them... I dont like them.

Will give you an update over the weekend, cause my week splits into two parts - business days for accounting work and the weekend is for machinery. I have gained a lot of Ideas from this forum, hope I will be able to tell you good news

Just not sure if I should order the shuttle plate in advance, my feeling, the needle adjustment will do the job.

 

[NZ Tech]

Will give you an update over the weekend, cause my week splits into two parts - business days for accounting work and the weekend is for machinery. I have gained a lot of Ideas from this forum, hope I will be able to tell you good news

Just not sure if I should order the shuttle plate in advance, my feeling, the needle adjustment will do the job.

My feeling is that too... Good luck.

 

[manttys]

How did you get on???..

Needle valve fully in, then 1/4 of a turn out and it works like a charm. It was opened about 5 full turns. If I open 1 full turn, the pressure is noth high enough. 1/4 or 1/2, it does not make any difference. The main pump works on high pressure only if I use any function. Problem sorted. Many thanks

here is my set up

 

[NZ Tech]

Needle valve fully in, then 1/4 of a turn out and it works like a charm. It was opened about 5 full turns. If I open 1 full turn, the pressure is noth high enough. 1/4 or 1/2, it does not make any difference. The main pump works on high pressure only if I use any function. Problem sorted. Many thanks

here is my set upView attachment 67530

Good work.. glad it worked out.

If anyone on here is running a fel thru the same pb valve then doing the same adjustment will make the loader power better.

 

[ReidyNZ]

Needle valve fully in, then 1/4 of a turn out and it works like a charm. It was opened about 5 full turns. If I open 1 full turn, the pressure is noth high enough. 1/4 or 1/2, it does not make any difference. The main pump works on high pressure only if I use any function. Problem sorted. Many thanks

here is my set upView attachment 67530

Bit high tech there........ROPE ..............baling twine is the regulation here

 

[Jd6900 evans]

Hi,

I believe you are after the port locations, that slice would work for your requirements it will be a little tight getting fittings in but easily possible. I've attached a picture showing port locations. You'd be best returning into back end, for free flow (just above PTO guard, bung on right).

A - Adjustment to prevent pump working all the time, don't mess with this if it is working currently.

B - Load sense line, this allows the implement to regulate hydraulic supply.

C - Return oil, this is one place to return, but see my recommendation above. 3/4" return fitting required for baler.

D - Pressure oil, this fitting needs at least a 1/2" fitting, ideally 3/4" to ensure reliable operation on Fusions.

View attachment 30666

Do you want to sell the the slice?

 

[Deere 7810]

Hi got a john deere 7710 and got a mchale fusion 3 put power beyond on the tractor to run the baler the right way but its not giving it enough flow any info about it thanks

 

[michael N123]

you can have problems with the gas accumulators if your not on power beyond as too much pressure is bad for them, and they can loose their pressure and you will have problems with the cut and tie.

Just had that issue with my hs2000 wrapper

 

[kill]

Hi got a john deere 7710 and got a mchale fusion 3 put power beyond on the tractor to run the baler the right way but its not giving it enough flow any info about it thanks

There’s a set screw on the earlier power beyond blocks and these need setting to required pressure / flow or at least did on an 02 registered 6620 premium of similar era as caused problems to start with as no pressure but after a dealer tweak it was perfect. We found if dabbed brakes or steering then power beyond would work ok pre tweak.